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Moses was supposed to be LIKE A GOD to Aaron, unlike Jesus who IS God (Hebr. 1:8)

swanIf someone is called GOD, he is either the supreme Creator or a false god – so which category applies to Jesus? 

The only way for anti-Trinitarians to make an attempt to solve the problem that Jesus is called God in Hebr. 1:8, John 20:28, etc, is to try to make an inflation out of the word ”God”, with the hope that it will lead to a position where it’s not a big deal to be called God since people are called God left and right. They are incorrect, however, since the Bible shows that there are only two alternatives that could apply to Jesus – the true God or a false god, and false gods are no gods at all.

The only verse that they could possibly use as support is a psalm (82:6), which POETRY naturally couldn’t make the case that other beings than the true God can be called God – unless we’re talking about false gods. Godly judges or priests wouldn’t dream about being called God by anyone. (See further down below.) So if someone tells you that judges, priests and angels are also called gods (outside poetry) they are greatly mistaken. The only angel that was called God (even JAHVE) was the Angel of the Lord, and he was not a created angel but actually a manifestation of God himself – probably Jesus,who was with the Israelites during the Exodus – 1 Cor. 10:4. Read more about the Angel of the Lord here.

False gods are no gods at all

244 times in the KJV, Elohyim is translated as ”god” instead of ”God”, indicating that it’s not the true God that is referred to but a false god (or just an idea of god, such as when Satan told Adam and Eve that they would be as gods if they ate of the forbidden fruit).

Ex. 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Please note, that oftentimes people (and sometimes even Jahve himself) might refer to other things as gods even though they don’t actually believe there exist more gods than GOD. When people worship idols, those idols are called gods also by those who don’t really view those idols as anything else but stone, wood or hay. Demons are of course real, and they are at times also called gods since they are idols that are being worshiped. Again, by referring to these idols as gods is by no means a confirmation of that these created things or demons are in actuality real gods of any kind!

Gen. 35:2 Then Jacob said unto his household, and to all that were with him, Put away the strange gods that are among you, and be clean, and change your garments:

2 Chron. 32:19 And they spake against the God of Jerusalem, as against the gods of the people of the earth, which were the work of the hands of man.

Ps. 95:6 FOR ALL THE GODS OF THE NATIONS ARE IDOLS: but the Lord made the heavens.

Ps. 97:7 Confounded be all they that serve graven images, that boast themselves of idols: worship him, all ye gods.

Deut. 32:17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.

Ex. 12: 12 For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the Lord.

Ex. 23:24 Thou shalt not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works: but thou shalt utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images.

Deut. 10:17 For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:18 He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment.19 Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.20 Thou shalt fear the Lord thy God; him shalt thou serve, and to him shalt thou cleave, and swear by his name.

Take special notice of the last few verses where God is called God of gods in order to make a statement about the many gods that the strangers in Egypt were worshiping. Jahve is the true God of all! Which god are you worshiping? God is the God of that god, because there is only one real God and he is over ALL.

1 Cor. 8:4 Therefore concerning the eating of things offered to idols, we know that an idol is NOTHING in the world, and that there is no other God but one.5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords), 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live. (NKJV)

(Also read this article where we can read that God alone is, or is doing something … and yet Jesus is also, just as we can read that Jesus alone is, or is doing something… and yet God is also.)

Moses was told to be LIKE A GOD (or instead of God) to Aaron and Pharao Moses

Both Ex. 4:16 and Ex. 7:1 use the word Elohiym, and most Bible translators have translated the below highlighted passages to ”as God”, and others ”instead of God”. The fact that words such as ”as”, and ”instead of” are not in use in Hebrew, doesn’t mean that prepositions should neither be used in other languages – where such words indeed are in use. If Bible texts would be handled in that way, the end result would not be grammatically correct and extremely confusing to read. It’s simply not possible to always translate a language word for word into another language, and sometimes words can hold a number of alternate meanings. I believe we have no reason to doubt that the world’s translators, and experts in Hebrew have done a good job, or is there any particular reason to not trust them? Because we don’t like the outcome?

Note below that Moses is never called God according to these verses, but he was to be AS God for Aaron (and Pharao). Moses was supposed to be his spiritual leader, and he were supposed to turn to him since Moses was acting on Gods behalf.  Whenever the translators have phrased themselves as ”instead of God”, they of course don’t suggest that Aaron was supposed to drop the real God (Jahve) altogether and instead put Moses there in his place and start to worship him, but rather that Moses was the mediator between God and man. This is an entirely different story than Hebr. 1:8, where Jesus is directly CALLED God by his own Father.

1) Ex. 4:16 So he shall be your spokesman to the people. And he himself shall be as a mouth for you, and you shall be to him AS GOD. (NKJV) 

Ex. 4:16 Moreover, he shall speak for you to the people; and he will be as a mouth for you and you will be AS GOD to him. (NASB)

Ex. 4:16 And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be, even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and thou shalt be to him instead of God. (KJV)

16 Y él hablará por ti al pueblo; él te será a ti en lugar de boca, y tú serás para él en lugar de Dios. (Reina -Valera, 1960)

16 Il sera ton porte-parole devant le peuple, il te servira de bouche, et tu seras pour lui comme le dieu qui parle à son prophète. (La Bible du Semeur)

16 Und er soll für dich zum Volk reden und soll dein Mund sein, und du sollst für ihn an Gottes Statt sein. (Schlachter, 1951)

2) Ex. 7:1 So the Lord said to Moses: “See, I have made you AS GOD to Pharaoh, and Aaron your brother shall be your prophet. (NKJV) 

Ex. 7: 1 Then the Lord said to Moses, “See, I make you AS GOD to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet. (NASB)

Ex. 7:1  And the Lord said to Moses, “See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet. (ESV)

Ex. 7:1 But Adonai said to Moshe, “I have put you in the place of God to Pharaoh, and Aharon your brother will be your prophet. (Complete Jewish Bible)

Ex. 7:1 And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet (KJV)

Elohiym (Strong’s 430) 

KJV translates the word : God (2,346x), god (244x), judge (5x), GOD (1x), goddess (2x), great (2x), mighty (2x), angels (1x), exceeding (1x), God-ward (with H4136) (1x), godly (1x).

When we check these options, we can see that Jesus (who was not called by a description/adjective, but was addressed with THEOS = GOD in Hebr. 1:8) was either called a TRUE God or a FALSE god. It’s one or the other. Isn’t the most likely option that Jesus was called a TRUE God, considering that all the angels were supposed to worship him and that Jesus was often also worshiped by men?

Hebr. 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and MY GOD.29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Let’s check all KJV options for GOD:

goddess (2x) – there are no female Gods so this is evidently about false gods  as well (Ashtoreth to be exact)

great (2x), mighty (2x) – 

Gen. 30:8 and Rachel saith, `With wrestlings of God I have wrestled with my sister, yea, I have prevailed;’ and she calleth his name Napthali. (Young’s Literal)

1 Sa. 14:15 and there is a trembling in the camp, in the field, and among all the people, the station and the destroyers have trembled — even they, and the earth shaketh, and it becometh a trembling of God. (Young’s literal)

Gen. 23:6 `Hear us, my lord; a prince of God [art] thou in our midst; in the choice of our burying-places bury thy dead: none of us his burying-place doth withhold from thee, from burying thy dead.’ (Young’s Literal)

Ex. 9:28 make ye supplication unto Jehovah, and plead that there be no voices of God and hail, and I send you away, and ye add not to remain.’ (Young’s Literal)

Evidently Jesus wasn’t called any of the above descriptions in Hebr. 1:8. He was plainly called GOD.

exceeding (1x) 

Jon. 3:3 and Jonah riseth, and he goeth unto Nineveh, according to the word of Jehovah. And Nineveh hath been a great city before God, a journey of three days. (Young’s Literal)

Jesus wasn’t called this description either.

God-ward (1x) (with H4136)  – only with the combination of H4136. 

godly (1x) – 

Mal 2:10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?11 Judah hath dealt treacherously, and an abomination is committed in Israel and in Jerusalem; for Judah hath profaned the holiness of the Lordwhich he loved, and hath married the daughter of a strange god.— 15 And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth.16 For the Lord, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away: for one covereth violence with his garment, saith the Lord of hosts: therefore take heed to your spirit, that ye deal not treacherously. (KJV)

It’s the seed that is ”godly”, and neither this verse is suggesting that other people/beings than God is a God.

angels (1x) – 

When Jesus walked as a man on earth, he was made lower than the angels, and if you’re lower than the angels you’re naturally lower than GOD because God the Father certainly isn’t lower than his own created angels.  Gen. 8:12 and Gen. 32:1 both translate ”Malak Elohiym” with ”the angels of God”, and it makes sense to also translate Elohiym in Ps. 8:5/6 here below with ”God”, to prevent the text from saying ”God’s gods”. This is also what we will see in many Bible versions across the world. Young’s Literal is interesting since ”Godhead” is used, and it’s certainly true that Jesus left the Godhead (the trinity) in order to be born as a baby boy on earth and become one of us. He didn’t cease to be God, but he left his first estate. Also the German version concedes that the name is in plural.

Psalm 8:4 What is man that You take thought of him, And the son of man that You care for him?5 Yet You have made him a little lower than GodAnd You crown him with glory and majesty!6 You make him to rule over the works of Your hands; You have put all things under his feet (NASB)

Psalm 8:5 And causest him to lack a little of Godhead, And with honour and majesty compassest him.6 Thou dost cause him to rule Over the works of Thy hands, All Thou hast placed under his feet. (Young’s literal)

Psalm 8:5 je me dis: Qu’est-ce que l’homme, pour que tu en prennes soin, et qu’est-ce qu’un être humain pour qu’à lui tu t’intéresses? 6 Pourtant, tu l’as fait de peu inférieur à Dieu, tu l’as couronné d’honneur et de gloire. (La Bible du Semeur)

Psalm 8:5 Hiciste al hombre poco menor que un diosy lo colmaste de gloria y de honra. (Reina Valera Contemporánea)

Psalm 8:5 Was ist der Mensch, daß du seiner gedenkst, und des Menschen Sohn, daß du auf ihn achtest? 6 Du hast ihn ein wenig Gottes entbehren lassen; aber mit Ehre und Schmuck hast du ihn gekrönt; (Schlachter 1951) 

(Gottes, hebr. Elohim, ein Name in Mehrzahl zur Bezeichnung Gottes (LS)

judge (5x) –
domare

The KJV translators have translated Elohiym to ”judges”, unlike many other Bible versions where they have consistently translated Elohiym to God (in their own respective languages) also here. KJV is usually a very good translation, but it would have made more sense to translate Elohiym to God, as it’s done in more than 2.346 other times in the Bible. The translators were likely referring to the fact that God doesn’t actually come down to earth himself to sort out disputes between men, and when for instance the servant/slave is to be brought before God he is actually brought before the judges who are acting on behalf of God. However, the judges were definitely NOT gods and neither were they called gods by anyone else (unless we’re speaking about a certain poetic verse…). So when people are asked to stand up before God to sort out an errand and/or to get a judgment, where do they go now when it’s impossible to actually stand right before the living God? Do they stand before the rest of the family? Before a tree? Before a house? No, naturally it makes sense to stand before those individuals who are supposed to give them the verdict, and those are the judges/priests. That’s why it’s not wrong to say that the Israelites were supposed to ”come before the judges” to sort out a problem, because this is what was actually done – as long as we understand that the original text doesn’t actually say ”judges” but GOD, and judges and priests never referred to themselves as god and neither were they called god by anyone else.

1) Ex. 21:then his master shall bring him to GOD, then he shall bring him to the door or the doorpost. And his master shall pierce his ear with an awl; and he shall serve him permanently. (NASB)

Ex. 21: 6 then his master is to bring him before God; and there at the door or doorpost, his master is to pierce his ear with an awl; and the man will be his slave for life. (Contemporary Jewish Bible)

Ex. 21:6 then hath his lord brought him nigh unto God, and hath brought him nigh unto the door, or unto the side-post, and his lord hath bored his ear with an awl, and he hath served him — to the age. (Young’s literal)

Ex. 21:6 entonces su amo lo traerá a Dios y lo traerá a la puerta o al quicial. Y su amo le horadará la oreja con una lezna, y él le servirá para siempre. (La Biblia de las Américas)

Ex. 21:6 ich will nicht freigelassen werden, so bringe ihn sein Herr vor Gott und stelle ihn an die Tür oder den Pfosten und durchbohre ihm seine Ohren mit einem Pfriem, daß er ihm diene ewiglich. (Schlachter 1951)

2) Ex. 22:8 If the thief is not found, the owner of the house shall come near to GOD to show whether or not he has put his hand to his neighbor’s property. 9 For every breach of trust, whether it is for an ox, for a donkey, for a sheep, for a cloak, or for any kind of lost thing, of which one says, ‘This is it,’ the case of both parties shall come before GOD. The one whom GOD condemns shall pay double to his neighbor. (ESV)

Ex. 22:(8) But if the thief is not found, then the trustee must state before GOD that he did not take the person’s goods himself. (9) In every case of dispute over ownership, whether of an ox, a donkey, a sheep, clothing, or any missing property, where one person says, ‘This is mine,’ both parties are to come before GOD; and the one whom GOD condemns must pay the other one double. (Contemporary Jewish Bible)

Ex. 22:8 `If the thief is not found, then the master of the house hath been brought near unto God, whether he hath not put forth his hand against the work of his neighbour;9 for every matter of transgression, for ox, for ass, for sheep, for raiment, for any lost thing of which it is said that it is his; unto God cometh the matter of them both; he whom God doth condemn, he repayeth double to his neighbour. (Young’s literal)

Ex. 22:8 Dans toute affaire frauduleuse, qu’il s’agisse d’un bœuf, d’un âne, d’un mouton, d’un vêtement ou de n’importe quel objet perdu dont deux personnes revendiqueront la propriété, les deux parties porteront leur litige devant Dieu; celui que Dieu déclarera coupable restituera le double à l’autre.9 Si un homme confie en garde à son prochain un âne, un bœuf, un mouton ou tout autre animal, et que celui-ci meurt, se casse une patte ou se fait capturer par des voleurs sans qu’il y ait de témoin,(La Bible due Semeur)

Ex. 22: 8 Ist aber der Dieb nicht zu finden, so soll man den Hausherrn vor Gott bringen [und ihn darüber verhören], ob er sich nicht vergriffen habe an seines Nächsten Gut.9 Wird irgend etwas gestohlen, sei es ein Ochs, ein Esel, ein Schaf, ein Kleid, oder was sonst abhanden gekommen sein mag, wovon einer behauptet: Der hat’s! so soll beider Aussage vor Gott gelangen; wen Gott schuldig spricht, der soll es seinem Nächsten doppelt ersetzen. (Schlachter, 1951)

3) 1 Sam. 2:25 If one man sins against another, God will judge him. But if a man sins against the Lord, who will intercede for him?” Nevertheless they did not heed the voice of their father, because the Lord desired to kill them. (NKJV)

1 Sam. 2:25 If one man sins against another, God will mediate for him; but if a man sins against the Lord, who can intercede for him?” But they would not listen to the voice of their father, for the Lord desired to put them to death. (NASB)

1 Sam. 2:25 If someone sins against a man, God will mediate for him, but if someone sins against the Lord, who can intercede for him?” But they would not listen to the voice of their father, for it was the will of the Lordto put them to death. (ESV)

1 Sam. 2:25 If a man sin against a man, then hath God judged him; but if against Jehovah a man sin, who doth pray for him?’ and they hearken not to the voice of their father, though Jehovah hath delighted to put them to death. (Young’s literal)

1 Sam. 2:25 Wenn jemand wider einen Menschen sündigt, so wird Gott Schiedsrichter sein; wenn aber jemand wider den Herrn sündigt, wer will sich für ihn ins Mittel legen? Aber sie folgten der Stimme ihres Vaters nicht; denn der Herr wollte sie töten. (Schlachter 1951)

1 Sam. 2:Si un homme pèche contre un autre, Dieu est là pour arbitrer, mais si quelqu’un pèche contre l’Eternel lui-même, qui interviendra en sa faveur? Mais les fils ne tinrent aucun compte de l’avertissement de leur père, car l’Eternel voulait les faire mourir. (La Bible due Semeur)

Satan is out to fool us into believing that Jesus has NOT come into flesh and that he is NOT God

Satan is doing what he can to deceive the people of the earth, and he is grateful to get help from false teachers. Some christians might not be aware of their errors (much like Peter, when Jesus said ”Get thee behind me, Satan”), but others are more actively serving Satan by purposely seeking out false teachers who can serve them the false doctrines that they are looking for. They are not interested to amend their ways and be corrected by the Bible, but they have much energy to twist the Bible in such a way that it serves their purpose. They are only interested in feeding themselves with food from these false teachers in order to find more tasty arguments for their falsehood, and they are not interested to be fed by other teachers who are presenting simple Biblical truth. They also love to look around for disciples, who can learn about these falsehoods and hopefully continue to spread them to more and more people. We are living in the last days, and Satan is doing what he can to destroy us. Be prepared, and question yourself which teacher you allow to get the last word? Often we let that particular teacher get the final word, who teach us what we want to hear – according to our itching ears.

2 Tim. 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears

There are mainly two lies that Satan is presenting to us. 1) We are NOT going to die even if we sin, and 2) Jesus Christ is not God who has come in the flesh and lived as a man

Satan doesn’t have any problems with accepting that Jesus Christ is the Messiah, the holy one of God, the son of God or that God is ONE,  (see Mark 1:23-24, Ja 2:19, Luke 4:41), but he does not confess that Jesus Christ has started out with God the Father (often called just GOD), and humbled himself and BECAME man in the flesh, and died on the cross for mankind.

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.HEREBY KNOW YE the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

1 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

Isaiah 7:13 And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also?14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Matt. 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

John 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.2 The same was in the beginning with God.3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.—14 And THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

John. 17:And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee BEFORE the world was.—Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me BEFORE the foundation of the world.

Phil. 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

It’s no mystery why Satan wants to spread the word that Jesus is NOT the IAM (the true God – the alpha and the omega), because if people have a chance to accept him as such and still refuse, it certainly looks like they will die in their sins. I’m not talking about innocent people who might live in an area where it’s hard to find a Bible, and who consequently might not understand all details about who Jesus really is (but according to Romans 2, we do have a conscience when it comes to our life styles), but I’m talking about those who have all the chances in the world to understand the basics of the Bible, but still choose to feed themselves with falsehood which they also spread to others. God can see our hearts.

Joh. 8:24 I said, therefore, to you, that ye shall die in your sins, for if ye may not believe that I AM [he],c) ye shall die in your sins.’25 They said, therefore, to him, `Thou — who art thou?’ and Jesus said to them, `Even what I did speak of to you at the beginning;26 many things I have to speak concerning you and to judge, but He who sent me is true, and I — what things I heard from Him — these I say to the world.’27 They knew not that of the Father he spake to them;28 Jesus, therefore, said to them, `When ye may lift up the Son of Man then ye will know that I am [he]; and of myself I do nothing, but according as my Father did teach me, these things I speak;29 and He who sent me is with me; the Father did not leave me alone, because I, the things pleasing to Him, do always.’30 As he is speaking these things, many believed in him; (Young’s Literal)

From Bible Gateway under c) (translation from Swedish) Read more about the IAM here.

c) The I Am term is referring to Ex. 3:14, where it’s used for God himself.  It’s connected to the most supreme and divine name, JHVH, which is a never pronounced out of respect for God, but was substituted with ”Adonai”, which means the Lord.

You can read in this article about Jesus reference to ”gods” in John 10:34-35, which is a quote from a poetic POEM from Ps. 82:6. The Jews who wanted to kill Jesus naturally knew about that psalm, and when Jesus made a reference to it they again picked up stones to kill him.

John. 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself GOD.

Did they miss the inflation that has happened to the word GOD, and that loads of people can be called this name?

Also the early church fathers believed in the deity of Jesus, as can be seen here. (Quotes in English)

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Vad menas med ”Jag har sagt att ni är gudar”? Joh. 10:34

one godVad menar Jesus med att hänvisa till existensen av ”gudar” i plural? – Joh. 10:34-35 och Ps. 82:6

Joh. 10:34 Jesus svarade dem: ”Står det inte skrivet i er lag: JAG HAR SAGT ATT NI ÄR GUDAR? 35 Om han nu kallar dem som fick Guds ord för gudar – och Skriften kan inte göras om intet – 36 hur kan ni då säga till honom, som Fadern har helgat och sänt till världen: Du hädar, därför att jag sade: Jag är Guds Son. 37 Om jag inte gör min Faders gärningar, så tro mig inte. 38 Men om jag gör dem, så tro på gärningarna, om ni inte kan tro på mig. Då skall ni inse och förstå att Fadern är i mig och jag i Fadern.” 39 De försökte gripa honom igen, men han drog sig undan och gick bort från dem.

Judarna var ju experter på skriften och kände självklart till den passage som Jesus syftade till när han sa ”står det inte skrivet”, men de kopplade verkligen inte ihop det med idén att flera personer än Gud skulle kunna kallas för GUD, för då hade de ju inte reagerat på Jesus påstående att han är ett med Fadern och Guds son. Att vara Guds son är detsamma som att vara Gud själv, för Gud har ju ingen fru som han har en son tillsammans med. Att vara en SON till Gud är därför att på något sätt ha sitt ursprung/källa direkt i Gud, och eftersom det endast finns en Gud (som inte har barn) så måste sonen vara jämbördes med Gud OCH GUD SJÄLV – för att undvika en pluralitet av skapelsegudar. Om det nu vore legitimt och helt enligt skrifterna för Jesus att kalla sig Gud trots att han inte är skaparguden, så borde det väl vara ok även för vissa fariséer att göra detsamma?

Joh. 10:33 Judarna svarade: ”Det är inte för någon god gärning vi vill stena dig, utan därför att du hädar och gör dig själv till Gud, du som är en människa.”

För att förstå vad Jesus menar måste vi förstås leta upp det skriftavsnitt som Jesus hänvisar till, och det handlar om Ps. 82:6. Läs kapitlet här nedan. Fotnoten på Bible Gateway förklarar ”Jesus syftar på Ps 82:6, där överhetspersoner kallas gudar på grund av sitt gudomliga uppdrag. Ett gudomligt uppdrag är ju precis det Jesus hade, och som Guds son är han en överhetsperson. Om t o m människor symboliskt/poetiskt kan kallas ”gudar”eftersom de representerar Gud genom deras ämbeten här på jorden (präster och domare), hur mycket mer har då inte JESUS skäl att kalla sig Gud eftersom han ju inte bara är en överstepräst utan GUD I KÖTT och direkt utsänd av Fadern som varit med honom i treenigheten sedan begynnelsen?

 

Joh. 17: 5 Fader, förhärliga nu mig med den härlighet som jag hade hos dig INNAN världen var till.

Judarnas uppfattning var att Jesus helt felaktigt likställde sig själv med Gud eftersom det står i den grekiska grundtexten i v.39 att de DÄRFÖR (av skälet att Jesus gjorde sig själv till Gud) försökte gripa Jesus på nytt. De uppfattade det som att Jesus konfirmerade sin gudom med att referera till skrifterna och uttrycka sig som han gjorde. Det var brilliant av Jesus att syfta på den här versen av flera anledningar.

1) Vi kan läsa i Joh. 8:20 att judarna faktiskt ville döda honom vid ett tidigare tillfälle, och det fanns faktiskt en rad tillfällen där de varit efter hans liv. Johannes förklarar att det inte var dags för Jesus att dö riktigt än, och om Jesus hade varit allt för frispråkig om hans egen gudomlighet alltför tidigt så hade hans tid på jorden blivit starkt reducerad. Inledningsvis ville Jesus inte att de som blivit helade skulle berätta om helandet för de högsta judarna, och han var även väldigt smidig när han samtalade med judarna och använde en del liknelser i stället för att tala rakt ut. Att uttrycka sig med ”Jag är den ende GUDEN, världens skapare, Adam’s Gud” osv hade varit kontraproduktivt och åhörarna hade inte bara omedelbart slutit sina ögon/öron till det han hade att säga, utan insisterat på stening bra mycket tidigare. Bättre då att förklara vem man är genom att förklara sitt ursprung på ett vist sätt och få tala till punkt (se Joh. 8:30) samt att hänvisa till judarnas egna skrifter – såsom en psalm – för att om möjligt få chansen att visa att det som står om Messias passar in på honom själv.  

2) Genom att hänvisa till en välkänd psalm så behövde Jesus på inga sätt förneka sin gudom eller ursäkta den på något vis, utan i stället bekräfta att det faktiskt är helt legitimt för honom att upphöja sig själv nu när t o m vanliga människor symboliskt kan vara ”gudar” såsom utsedda av Gud för att sprida hans ord (såsom Moses). 

Judarna trodde självfallet inte att Ps. 82 skulle påstår att det finns flera gudar, för de tror ju att Gud är EN, vilket skriften är mycket tydlig med. Varken Jesus eller judarna var polyteister. PSALMER ÄR POETISKA och kan spegla verkligheten! De måste inte alltid tolkas bokstavligt och precis som de står! Om i princip vem som helst skulle kunna kalla sig JAGÄR,  THEOS, och GUDS SON så är det väl ingen stor sak och inget att ge dödsstraff för? Om nu kristna idag gärna tolkar Joh. 10:34 som om fler personer är Gud kan kallas gudar – t ex om de jobbar som pastorer/präster/evangelister (för att spegla personerna i Ps. 82:6) – kommer de då att vara konsekventa och börja kalla sig själva GUD om de är pastorer, och/eller kommer de att börja kalla sin församlings pastor för GUD? Varför inte om det nu gått inflation i ordet GUD och fler än Gud kan använda sig av den termen?

Ps. 82:1 En psalm av Asaf. Gud står i gudaförsamlingen, mitt ibland gudarna håller han dom:2 ”Hur länge skall ni döma orätt och vara partiska för de ogudaktiga? Sela. 3 Skipa rätt åt den fattige och faderlöse, låt den betryckte och utblottade få rättvisa! 4 Befria den fattige och nödställde, rädda honom från de ogudaktigas hand!5 De vet ingenting och förstår ingenting, de vandrar i mörker, jordens alla grundvalar vacklar.6 ”Jag har sagt att ni är gudar, ni är alla den Högstes söner.7 Men ni måste ändå dö som människor dör, och falla som var furste faller.” 8 Grip in, Gud, håll dom över jorden,ty alla hednafolk är din egendom.

Ps. 58:2 För ni verkligen rättfärdighetens talan, när ni tiger? Dömer ni rätta domar, ni människors barn?3 Nej, i hjärtat gör ni upp onda planer, era händer banar väg för våld i landet. —7 Gud, krossa tänderna i deras mun, bryt sönder de unga lejonens käkar, Herre!11 Den rättfärdige skall glädja sig, när han ser hämnden, han skall tvätta sina fötter i den ogudaktiges blod. 12 Och människorna skall säga:”Den rättfärdige får sin lön, det finns en Gud som dömer på jorden.”

Psalmen i sig visar tydligt att de gudar som det talas om inte är RIKTIGA gudar eftersom Asaf vänder sig till den riktiga Guden och ber att han ska gripa in eftersom deras domar är orätta. Vi kan läsa att dessa ”gudar” inte vet någonting eller förstår någonting, samt att de ska dö precis som vanliga människor. Texten visar att Gud utsett dessa människor att vara ledare och domare men att de misslyckats med sin uppgift eftersom deras domar varit partiska. ”Alla hednafolk är din egendom” säger Asaf, vilket tydligt visar att det endast finns en sann Gud och att han ensam är Herre över alla. En israelisk kung hade till uppgift att leda ett land i enlighet med lagen, och även leviterna hade till uppgift att leda folket enligt lagen och vara Guds representanter på jorden. De som är utsedda att leda folket kan välja att vara duktiga och lydiga i sin uppgift eller inte, och det är dessa ledare som psalmisten poetiskt kallar för ”gudar” i sin psalm

Jesus poäng är att eftersom skrifterna applicerar termen ”gud” (även om det endast är poetiskt) på vanliga individer med uppdrag från Gud för att representera honom UTAN att detta anses som hädelse, så borde inte judarna anklaga honom för att häda när han ÄNNU MER har ett uppdrag från Gud att representera honom TILL FULLO. Han är ju både Guds son och Gud i mänsklig gestalt så närmare ”Gud” kan man ju inte komma!

Psalmen ingår i Guds ord, men bara för att detta unika uttryck finns med i en psalm (”jag har sagt att ni är gudar”) betyder inte att uttrycket därför faktiskt ANVÄNDES utanför denna poetiska psalm! Det finns några uttryck för ”Gud” i GT och NT, och vi kan se att uttrycket för det mesta handlar just om vår ende Skapargud, men ibland står ett av uttrycken även för falska gudar som inte ens är några gudar. Vi kan även läsa ett par uttryck såsom att Mose ska vara ”SOM” en Gud för andra. Ps. 82:6 står ut som en väldigt unik vers i detta sammanhang eftersom det inte handlar om vare sig Gud eller falska gudar, utan om ett poetiskt uttryck för Guds representanter på jorden. Att då kullkasta alla andra verser i Bibeln som tydligt visar att det endast finns EN SANN GUD, bara för att ge utrymme till tolkningen att Ps. 82:6 måste tolkas bokstavligt, är att ta sig stora friheter. Motivet med att läsa Bibeln på ett sådant sätt (lyfta upp en unik poetisk psalm och läsa resten av skriften genom den), är förstås att försöka slå hål på Bibelns ord att Jesus är Gud i kött – som flera verser säger. Hebr. 1:8 är exempelvis väldigt tydlig med att Gud Fader kallar sin son för GUD, och det blir ju då ett problem som måste lösas bland de som vägrar att acceptera att Jesus är Gud och vår Skapare. Att läsa som det står går ju inte för dem, eftersom det då skulle visa sig att Jesus faktiskt är GUD, och det går ju inte för sig. Så Ps. 82:6 används desperat som en slags räddningsplanka för att förminska Gud Faders bedömning att sonen är GUD. 

Om det nu finns flera personer som vi kan kalla gudar, kände inte Gud till detta eftersom han hela tiden säger att han ensam är Gud och att det inte finns någon annan Gud? Det verkar inte som Gud tolkar Ps. 86:2 bokstavligt heller:

Jesaja 45:5 Jag är Herren och det finns ingen annanUtom mig finns ingen Gud. Jag spände bältet om ditt liv,
fastän du inte kände mig, 6 för att man skulle förstå både i öster och väster att det inte finns någon utom mig. Jag är Herren och det finns ingen annan.-–14 Så säger Herren:Vad egyptierna har skaffat sig genom arbete och nubiernas och Sebas resliga folk med handel, det skall allt gå över i din hand och höra till dig. De skall följa efter dig, i kedjor skall de gå. Och de skall falla ner inför dig och rikta sin bön till dig: ”Endast hos dig är Gud, och det finns ingen mer, ingen annan Gud.”—18 Ty så säger Herren, han som har skapat himlen, han som ensam är Gud, som har format jorden och gjort den. Han som har berett den har inte skapat den till att vara öde utan format den till att bebos: Jag är Herren, och det finns ingen annan.—21Tag till orda och lägg fram er sak! Ja, låt dem tillsammans rådslå. Vem har sedan lång tid låtit er höra detta och för längesedan förkunnat det? Har inte jag, Herren, gjort det? Och det finns ingen Gud utom mig, jag, en rättfärdig Gud som frälsar, ingen utom mig. 22 Vänd er till mig och bli frälsta, ni jordens alla ändar, ty jag är Gud och det finns ingen annan.23 Jag har svurit vid mig själv, ett sanningsord har utgått från min mun, ett ord som inte skall tas tillbaka: För mig skall alla knän böja sig. Alla tungor skall ge mig sin ed 

5 Mosebok 4:35 Du har själv fått se det, för att du skulle veta att Herren är Gud: Det finns ingen annan än han.  39 Därför skall du i dag veta och lägga på hjärtat att Herren är Gud uppe i himlen och nere på jorden: Det finns ingen annan.

Mose var SOM GUD för sin bror Aron, men det står inte att han var Gud.

2 Mosebok 7:1 Men Herren sade till Mose: ”Se, jag har satt dig att vara SOM Gud för farao och din bror Aron skall vara din profet.

1 Mosebok 4:15 Du skall tala till honom och lägga orden i hans mun. Och jag skall vara med din mun och hans mun, och jag skall lära er vad ni skall göra. 16 Han skall tala i ditt ställe till folket. Han skall vara som en mun för dig, och du skall vara SOM Gud för honom. 17 Du skall ta den här staven i handen, och med den skall du göra dina tecken.

Läs mer om detta i denna artikel och om Hebr. 1:8 i denna artikel. 

Proverbs 21:1 The king’s heart is turned wherever God wants?

king's heart2Proverbs 21:1 The king’s heart is in the hand of the Lord, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will

It’s never a good idea to use a psalm or a proverb as a filter to read the rest of the Bible through, because poetic text might obviously not always be the literal truth. It’s shaky to start a new doctrine based on poetry and analogies, and you can reach almost any conclusion you want if you single out a verse out of context in Psalms or Proverbs (or anywhere) and use it as a foundation for a certain theology view.

The above verse is sometimes used by our reformed friends (calvinists) as an attempt to support the idea that God has an exhaustive control over all decisions of men – i.e. God predestines every step that a man makes and nothing happens against the will of God. There may be calvinists who disagree with this view, but then they are not consistent with their own doctrines – as in TULIP

It’s true that God may occasionally and in rare situations choose to override the will of man, but calvinists believe God acts in such way at all times and that he constantly steers our steps and wills so that we will always act and think according to his exact will with no exception. They believe that God is no longer sovereign if man has any independent control separate from his own will. Sovereign and sovereignty are not Biblical words (KJV), but also freewillers believe God is ”sovereign”, but obviously not the way calvinists understand this term. A sovereign and an all powerful God is mighty enough to create man with a free will and to be responsible for his (not God’s) own actions. If God is the one who causes us to think and act the way he wants, then of course he is the one to be responsible for our thoughts and actions, but that is not the God of the Bible because it would make him the author of sin.

Prior to the flood the people were purely evil (with an exception of Noah and his family):

Gen. 5:And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

It wouldn’t make any sense at all if God first caused people to have wicked thoughts and constantly perform evil, and then bring a global flood on everyone due to their wickedness that he himself predestined. The wickedness culminated after the nephilim were being born by the sons of God (fallen angels, as per other Bible verses) and female human beings, and wickedness is always against God’s will.

Proverbs 21:1  doesn’t speak about all the people in the whole world but about ”the king”,  and this verse might have been written by King Solomon concerning himself. The passage also doesn’t tell us that God controls the king’s heart irresistibly. It’s possible that Solomon is proclaiming that he is fulfilling his appointed role by allowing God to control his decision-making so that his decisions would essentially be the decisions of God, and it is not a statement that God is irresistibly controlling his heart but that the king has fully surrendered his heart and will to the will of God.

A good king was to represent God to his people in his judgments and decisions, and we can see this in Psalm 82 quoted by Jesus to the Pharisees in John 10:34-38.  In the psalm, the rulers of the people were called “gods” because they were to represent God to His people in their leadership and judgments.  In Psalm 82 God is seen to stand in judgment of the judges and rebuke them for their failure to represent God as they were called by God to do. If the Scripture could call wicked judges “gods”, how much more does Jesus deserve to be equated with God since He is sent into the world by God himself?

The wicked make plans and those plans seldom include their own destruction or judgment nor the many calamities that might result from their rebellion, but such is their future according to the Lord. Nothing can ultimately thwart God’s overall sovereign plan, and his ultimate control over the universe is in no way threatened by the free will decisions of his creatures. That is the gist of Proverbs 21.

What else does Proverbs 21 say?
king's heart

21:Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the Lord pondereth the hearts.3 To do justice and judgment is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice.

It wouldn’t make sense if God irresistibly controls the heart at the same time as he ponders/weighs/judges the heart that he alone controls with no interference or involvement by man. Solomon is concerned about pleasing the Lord in righteousness and justice, and a sacrifice is usually made when a person has transgressed the law of God and needs to be forgiven through the blood of an animal sacrifice. Of course it’s better to be obedient to start with because then a sacrifice isn’t even needed, and we can read that this option is more acceptable to God. Solomon contrasts the desires and actions of men surrendered to God with those who are in rebellion to God and refusing to submit to Him. Solomon himself fell away from the Lord in his later years but when he wrote this Proverb Solomon was committed to the Lord.

21:4 An high look, and a proud heart, and the plowing of the wicked, is sin.

Is it really possible that God would want people to have a high look, a proud heart and being wicked sinners? It’s absurd to suggest that God could cause people to be evil because in God there is no darkness at all and he doesn’t even tempt anyone – much less cause anyone to sin.

21:The thoughts of the diligent tend only to plenteousness; but of every one that is hasty only to want.The getting of treasures by a lying tongue is a vanity tossed to and fro of them that seek death.7 The robbery of the wicked shall destroy them; because they refuse to do judgment.

A lying tongue would also be something that God doesn’t want anyone to have, and we can read that the robbery of the wicked shall destroy them because they REFUSE to do judgment. It’s not God who leads them in that direction, but they do it to themselves.

21:The way of man is froward and strange: but as for the pure, his work is right.It is better to dwell in a corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman in a wide house.10 The soul of the wicked desireth evil: his neighbour findeth no favour in his eyes.

Solomon compares ”man” with ”the pure”. The work of the pure is RIGHT unlike the way of man, and this must mean that some people do NOT do what is right before God since all men are not pure. The soul of the wicked desire EVIL, and does it sound plausible that God causes certain men to be wicked and evil?

21:11 When the scorner is punished, the simple is made wise: and when the wise is instructed, he receiveth knowledge.12 The righteous man wisely considereth the house of the wicked: but God overthroweth the wicked for their wickedness.

A scorner is not showing a good conduct and that’s why he is punished. The righteous man is contrasted with the wicked man, and we can read that God overthrows the wicked for the reason that he is performing wickedness. Why would God overthrow and punish people for the reason that they are being wicked, if he himself caused them to be wicked in the first place? Instead of being punished they should get praise and applauds for doing the will of God – by being evildoers – if this is what God truly wanted them to be.

21:13 Whoso stoppeth his ears at the cry of the poor, he also shall cry himself, but shall not be heard.14 A gift in secret pacifieth anger: and a reward in the bosom strong wrath.15 It is joy to the just to do judgment: but destruction shall be to the workers of iniquity.

Does God want people to ”stop their ears” at the cry of the poor? Surely not, since God repeatedly tells us to be merciful and help those in need. Whosoever is a worker of iniquity must surely be acting against God’s will? The Bible says that God hates the workers of iniquity (psalm 5:5) so it wouldn’t make sense if he would be causing people to be just that, and then turn around and pretend to be angry at the same workers of iniquity.

21:16 The man that wandereth out of the way of understanding shall remain in the congregation of the dead.17 He that loveth pleasure shall be a poor man: he that loveth wine and oil shall not be rich.18 The wicked shall be a ransom for the righteous, and the transgressor for the upright.

Here we can read about man wandering out-of-the-way of understanding. It doesn’t say God pushed him out-of-the-way of understanding or prevented him in any way to reach a better understanding, but that the man himself is guilty of this – and the dire consequence for this unfortunate choice is death. Does God want people to love pleasure and wine, and does he want them to be wicked transgressors? Again, I hope all will say NO WAY. Sinning is always against God’s will.

21:19 It is better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious and an angry woman.20 There is treasure to be desired and oil in the dwelling of the wise; but a foolish man spendeth it up.21 He that followeth after righteousness and mercy findeth life, righteousness, and honour.22 A wise man scaleth the city of the mighty, and casteth down the strength of the confidence thereof.23 Whoso keepeth his mouth and his tongue keepeth his soul from troubles.

God surely wouldn’t cause people to be foolish and waste expensive oil. The wise man is again contrasted with the foolish man, and it’s up to us to follow after righteousness in order to find life and honor, and it’s up to us to keep our tongue to save our SOUL from trouble.

24 Proud and haughty scorner is his name, who dealeth in proud wrath.25 The desire of the slothful killeth him; for his hands refuse to labour.26 He coveteth greedily all the day long: but the righteous giveth and spareth not.27 The sacrifice of the wicked is abomination: how much more, when he bringeth it with a wicked mind?28 A false witness shall perish: but the man that heareth speaketh constantly.29 A wicked man hardeneth his face: but as for the upright, he directeth his way.30 There is no wisdom nor understanding nor counsel against the Lord.31 The horse is prepared against the day of battle: but safety is of the Lord.

Read this passage again about proud, haughty scorners who refuse to labor and who are greedy and covet things that don’t belong to them. The sacrifice of the wicked is an ABOMINATION before God, and the only reason they would even think about doing something like that would be due to a wicked mind. Would God cause people to be wicked and act in such a way? God directs the way of the upright, but the wicked hardens himself. Bad choice on their part.

Proverbs 15:26 The thoughts of the wicked are an abomination to the Lord: but the words of the pure are pleasant words.—28 The heart of the righteous studieth to answer: but the mouth of the wicked poureth out evil things.29 The Lord is far from the wicked: but he heareth the prayer of the righteous.

The thoughts of the wicked are an ABOMINATION to the Lord, and he is far from the wicked. Would God cause people to be so wicked that they were an abomination before him? That would not be the God of the Bible, but this type of God can unfortunately be seen in books authored by calvinists. Flee to another direction.

Psalm 119 about undefiled believers who obeyed the law of God

law of GodWhen you read the below psalm 119 (also called Alfa-Beta), do you get the impression that the writer feels that he cannot completely obey the law of  God and that he has been unsuccessful in seeking God with all his heart? I get the exact opposite picture; that he is confident of that he has obeyed every single commandment that God has given him. Maybe he doesn’t claim to have done this his entire life but at least for a very long time, and he also appears rather confident of that he can continue to be faithful to God for the rest of his life.  The secret is to be near God (through prayers, songs, Bible reading and testimonies) and to let his law be in our hearts.

This psalm is believed to have been written by King David (starts with Aleph which is the first letter in the Hebrew alphabet), and it’s actually the longest chapter in the whole Bible with 176 verses. The torah is referred to throughout the chapter and also some synonyms for the torah (such as dabar for ”word, promise” and mishpatim for ”rulings”). Those are blessed who are undefiled and who walk in the law of God, and they are not non-existent since the writer speaks about them as a reality.

Psalm 119Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the Lord.Blessed are they that keep His testimonies and that seek Him with the whole heart.They also do no iniquity; they walk in His ways.Thou hast COMMANDED us to keep Thy precepts diligently;.I will keep Thy statutes; O forsake me not utterly!How shall a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed thereto according to Thy word.10 With my whole heart have I sought Thee; O let me not wander from Thy commandments!11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against Thee.—21 Thou hast rebuked the proud that are cursed, that err from Thy commandments.22 Remove from me reproach and contempt, for I have kept Thy testimonies.—.30 I have chosen the way of truth; Thy judgments have I laid before me.32 I will run in the way of Thy commandments, when Thou shalt enlarge my heart.33 Teach me, O Lord, the way of Thy statutes, and I shall keep it unto the end.34 Give me understanding and I shall keep Thy law; yea, I shall observe it with my whole heart.35 Make me to go in the path of Thy commandments, for therein do I delight.36 Incline my heart unto Thy testimonies, and not to covetousness;.44 So shall I keep Thy law continually, for ever and ever.45 And I will walk in liberty, for I seek Thy precepts.—.51 The proud have held me greatly in derision, yet have I not departed from Thy law.53 Horror hath taken hold upon me, because of the wicked that forsake Thy law.54 Thy statutes have been my songs in the house of my pilgrimage.55 I have remembered Thy name, O Lord, in the night and have kept Thy law.56 This I had, because I kept Thy precepts.57 Thou art my portion, O Lord; I have said that I would keep Thy words.58 I entreated Thy favor with my whole heart; be merciful unto me according to Thy word.59 I thought on my ways, and turned my feet unto Thy testimonies.60 I made haste, and delayed not to keep Thy commandments.63 I am a companion of all them that fear Thee, and of them that keep Thy precepts.67 Before I was afflicted I went astray, but now have I kept Thy word.68 Thou art good, and doest good; teach me Thy statutes.69 The proud have forged a lie against me, but I will keep Thy precepts with my whole heart.73 Thy hands have made me and fashioned me; give me understanding, that I may learn Thy commandments.—101 I have restrained my feet from every evil way, that I might keep Thy word.—112 I have inclined mine heart to perform Thy statutes alway, even unto the end.—115 Depart from me, ye evildoers, for I will keep the commandments of my God.—

Also God seems to believe that we can be successful in obeying his commandments.

Deut. 30:10 IF thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and IF thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul. 11For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. —14But the word is VERY NIGH unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, THAT THOU MAYEST DO IT. 15See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; 16In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and TO KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it. 17But IF thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; 18I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it. 19I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: 

God the Father did not FORSAKE Jesus on the cross – Matt. 27:46

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Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Did God the Father really separate himself from Jesus and abandoned him on the cross? Is it true that the Father could not even look at Jesus due to the sins of the world that Jesus literally bore in his body? Did God the Father PUNISH Jesus on the cross?

No these ideas derived rather late in our history (we can blame Anselm of Canterbury for most of them even if they were later established by the reformers), and God the Father did NOT abandon Jesus on the cross in any way. Wasn’t the plan and God’s own idea that Jesus would die for mankind? Why then would he abandon his son on the cross when Jesus was nothing but faithful and obedient UNTO DEATH? No, God did not contradict himself by first giving up his son to die for the world, only to cowardly look away when his son needed him the most. The Bible is clear that Jesus was NOT a sinner on the cross in any way, but he was totally clean and undefiled. Jesus was NOT punished by the Father and he did NOT literally bear our sins in his body. (See more in this article.)

Eph. 5:And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

Hebr. 7: 26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people’s: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

2 Cor 1:15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:

Acts 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain 

In Matt. 27:64 it doesn’t say that the Father abandoned Jesus, but Jesus does ask a question in relation to being abandoned, and this question could of course be heard by those who stood near the cross. They could therefore hear yet another prophesy about the Messiah even if they didn’t quite realize it at that moment. There were many prophesies which came true in Jesus Christ and that includes this many faceted question that Jesus shouted out, because it’s a quote from one of King David’s psalms which actually relates to himself (Jesus). The psalm in question is about David’s call for God and his (David’s) initial pondering if his prayers are even heard. Nevertheless, David continues by declaring that God indeed is the one who listens, answers, helps and liberates people when they have a true heart and seek him. The case could be that Jesus’s feelings on the cross were overwhelming and that he shared some of David’s feelings those last horrible moments on the cross when he alone took his last painful breaths. He died for the sins of the world but it must have felt as though the whole world was against him. Jesus is God, but he is also a human being with feelings just like ours. Quoting this psalm was perfect, because it has given us a chance to go back to it and read about both King David and Jesus, and we get many details about what transpired on the cross despite that this psalm was written long before Jesus was even born. Just like King David’s own conclusions, Jesus knew that God DOES listen and answer even in our toughest moments.

Ps. 22:1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?O my God, I cry in the day time, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent.—5 They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were NOT confounded.6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.7 All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,8 He trusted on the Lord that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.—11 Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help.—14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.—24 For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; NEITHER HATH HE HID HIS FACE FROM HIM, BUT WHEN HE CRIED UNTO HIM; HE HEARD.

The next psalm is the famous Ps. 23 which starts with ”The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want”. Would a true shepherd really abandon his own sheep and purposely turn his back on it?

Ps. 23:1 The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

Isaiah 49:14 But Zion said, The Lord hath forsaken me, and my Lord hath forgotten me.15 Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee.

The wicked are estranged from the womb Psalm 58:3 – no support for a sinful nature

The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, SPEAKING LIES (Psalm 58:3) 

This verse is sometimes used as some kind of support for that babies are born sinful because we have all inherited Adam’s sin. However, this is a PSALM and psalms can be read either literally or figuratively depending on context. Some people also take Psalm 51:5 as support for the sinful nature, but then they believe babies are sinful upon CONCEPTION (it says David was conceived in sin, and you can read about this psalm too on my Blog). So which one is it? Do we get the mysterious ”sinful gene” when we are conceived or when we are born? I suggest NEITHER. Check the context:

Ps 58:1 Do ye indeed SPEAK righteousness, O congregation? do ye JUDGE uprightly, O ye sons of MEN2Yea, in heart ye WORK wickedness; ye WEIGH the violence of your hands in the earth. 3The wicked are estranged from the womb: they GO ASTRAY as soon as they be born, SPEAKING LIES4Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear5Which will not hearken to the voice of charmers, charming never so wisely. 6Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth: break out the great teeth of the young lions, O LORD. 7Let them melt away as waters which run continually: when he bendeth his bow to shoot his arrows, let them be as cut in pieces.

We can see that the psalmist starts out addressing a ”congregation” and apparently they are old enough to SPEAK since they are asked if they speak righteousness. They are also old enough to JUDGE (albeit not necessarily uprightly), they are able to WORK WICKEDNESS in their hearts and WEIGH the violence of their hands. Babies are unable to do any of that, and it’s the WICKED that ”are estrange”. Notice the words ”go astray as soon as they are born”.  If someone goes astray it means it must have started from a position where it was not ”astray”. How many babies do we know who speak LIES Who can speak at all when they are newly born? Can we really say that innocent little newborn babies have poison like serpents? How could newborn babies choose to ”stop their ears” and not hearken? How many babies do we know who have TEETH in their mouths when they are born? Is God seeking to break the teeth of little infants? And cut them in pieces?

No this is about God taking vengeance on the WICKED who have done nothing but engaged themselves in violence and bloodshed, and they must be ADULTS in order to do that. They must be old enough to be able to make decisions, or else it wouldn’t make sense that God would punish the for something they haven’t chosen to do themselves. Psalm 58 is not a about our nature at the time of  birth. The rest of Psalm 58:

8As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away: like the untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun. 9Before your pots can feel the thorns, he shall take them away as with a whirlwind, both living, and in his wrath. 10The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked11So that a man shall say, Verily there is a reward for the righteous: verily he is a God that judgeth in the earth.

In verse 10 and 11 we can read about righteous people who do NOT go astray, so this shows that all are not wicked since only the wicked go astray.

It’s never a good idea to take poetic verses out of context (such as those is Psalms, Proverbs and Job) and make doctrines out of them, in combination with ignoring loads of other clear verses in the Bible which tell us another story. Nowhere in the Bible will you see the teaching that man is born with a sinful nature, and/or that we have inherited Adam’s sin. Sinning is a choice which can’t be inherited. 

”I synd är jag född” säger Kung David, men menar inte att han är född syndig

Se, i synd är jag född, och i synd BLEV JAG TILL i min moders liv. (Ps. 51:7 SFB)

Se, i synd är jag född, och i synd har MIN MOR AVLAT MIG (Ps 51:7 1917)

Behold, I was SHAPEN in iniquity; and in sin did MY MOTHER CONCEIVE ME (Ps. 51:5 KJV)

Om David menar att han BLEV TILL i synd (pga att hans mamma syndade den dagen då han blev till) så kan man poetiskt uttrycka det med att man är avlad eller född i SYND. Man kan poetiskt säga att vi allihop är födda rakt in i en syndfull värld, men just denna vers handlar inte om alla människor i hela världen utan om David och hans mamma

Versen säger att Davids mamma avlat honom i synd och INTE att David blev avlad syndig. Inte på minsta vis står det att David och alla andra människor är födda syndiga, och det kan mycket väl stämma att David blev till genom synd om vi ser till omständigheterna till Davids mamma. David var precis som vi född in i en syndfull värld och man kan också bli född in i ett språk (Apg 2:8) och på samma sätt var inte David syndig från födelsen (eller befruktningen) men var född in i en syndig värld. Psalmer innehåller poetiskt tal så de kan tolkas poetiskt eller bokstavligt beroende på sammanhanget, och i det här fallet så vet vi redan att ben inte kan prata, att Gud inte krossar ben när vi syndat, att ben kan jubla eller att isop kan bokstavligen få oss vitare än snö. Det är inte meningen att vi ska använda oss utav poetiska psalmer eller ordspråk för att starta nya läror med hjälp av dem, och speciellt inte om dessa läror motsägs i resten av Bibeln.

Ps 51:9 Rena mig med isop, så att jag blir ren, två mig, så att jag blir vitare än snö.10 Låt mig få höra fröjd och glädje, låt de ben som du har krossat få JUBLA.

Kan Davids mamma verkligen ha syndat just då David blev till?

David hade två halvsystrar Zeruiah and Abigail (1 Krön. 2:13-16). Pappan till dem var inte Jesse utan Nahash (2 Sam. 17:25). Davids mamma var förmodligen inte Jesses första fru, vilket kan förklara varför Davids halvbröder såg sig själva som bättre än David (1 Sam. 17:28-30). Det kan också förklara varför David inte kallades fram då profeten Samuel var på besök för att hitta en kung. (1 Sam. 16:11).

Det går att spekulera ytterligare om omständigheterna gällande Davids mamma och hur hon fick sina barn, men vi vet åtminstone ovan. Det går t ex att spekulera om otrohet, våld, skilsmässa osv vad gäller omständigheterna kring Nahash och Jesse. David’s mamma borde däremot ha varit gift med Jesse när han föddes eftersom David inte var någon bastard (Deut 23:2). Det kan ha varit så enkelt att Davids mamma inte var gift med Jesse när hon blev gravid.

Kapitlet börjar med:

Ps. 51:För sångmästaren, en psalm av David, när profeten Natan kom till honom, sedan han hade gått in till Bat-Seba.

Sedan fortsätter David med att be om ursäkt för det som han själv gjort sig skyldig till gällande hela historien gällande sin otrohet med Bat-Seba. David säger till Gud att ”det är mot DIG jag har syndat”, men det utesluter förstås inte att han även syndat gentemot Bat-Sebas make, för det var inte inför Bat-Sebas make som han bekände sina synder utan inför Gud.

Ps. 51: 3 Gud, var mig nådig enligt din godhet, utplåna mina överträdelser enligt din stora barmhärtighet. Två mig ren från min missgärning,rena mig från min synd.5 Ty jag känner mina överträdelser och min synd är alltid inför mig.6 Det är mot dig jag har syndat och gjort det som är ont i dina ögon. Du är rättfärdig när du talar, du är ren när du dömer.

David fortsätter att tala om sig själv och även den första minuten i sitt liv som verkar ha startat på syndens väg genom att hans mamma syndade när hon avlade honom. Sedan säger han:

Ps 51:10 Vänd bort ditt ansikte från mina synder, utplåna alla mina missgärningar. 12 Skapa i mig, Gud, ett rent hjärta och ge mig på nytt en frimodig ande.13 Förkasta mig inte från ditt ansikte och tag inte din helige Ande ifrån mig.13 Förkasta mig inte från ditt ansikte och tag inte din helige Ande ifrån mig. 

David var i riskzonen för att förlora den helige anden pga överträdelser. Det är inte så att David plötsligt kommer på att han är född i synd och kastar sig ner på sina knän för att be så mycket om ursäkt för en sådan överträdelse inför Gud. Det hade knappast varit Davids fel om han blev född i synd och det skulle snarare indirekt vara Guds fel, vilket innebär att Gud borde ha bett DAVID om ursäkt för att stackars David tvingades blir född i synd – som David aldrig bett om att få bli. En synd handlar om en överträdelse av Guds lag, men på vilket sätt kan vår egen befruktning vara emot Guds lag och göra honom besviken?

Denna psalm har tyvärr ofta använts som stöd för den gnostiska idén att vi är födda i synd (liksom Rom. 5) men arvsynden stöds inte av Bibeln. Ingen av de gamla kyrkofäderna lärde detta de första 300 åren e. Kr. Endast gnostikerna. Läs gärna mer om Arvsynden i denna bloggartikel.

Psalm 22:10 Det var du som hämtade mig ut ur moderlivet och lät mig vila trygg vid min moders bröst. 11 På dig är jag kastad ända från modersskötet, redan i moderlivet var du min Gud.

I Ps. 51:7 vill en del tolka som att vi alla är syndare allt sedan BEFRUKTELSEN (avelsen), och i Ps. 58:4 står det att vi är syndare så fort vi FÖDS. Så hur ska vi ha det? Är vi syndare sedan befruktelsen eller så fort vi föds? Och kan verkligen nyfödda bebisar prata och ljuga direkt vid födseln? ELLER, ska vi kanske tolka psalmer som PSALMER?

Ps. 58:4 De ogudaktiga är avfälliga ända från FÖDELSEN, de lögnaktiga far vilse alltifrån moderlivet. (SFB)

Ps. 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be BORN, speaking lies. (KJV)

Vi kan acceptera vad som står i detta kapitel, men vi behöver inte acceptera det som INTE står. Det står ingenstans att människor är födda i synd. Bebisar är neutrala och har inte kapacitet att synda. Om själva grunddefinitionen av synd är att bryta mot Guds bud, då kan ju inte en befruktelse/födelse vara en orsak till synd.

1 Joh. 3:Var och en som gör synd bryter mot lagen, ty synd är brott mot lagen.