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Säger Bibeln att man får stena och döda olydiga barn / en uppstudsig son?

teenage drunk5 Mos. 21:20-21 är en lag i det Gamla Testamentet

Ok, så lagen ingår i Mose lag och de 613 Mosaiska lagarna gäller inte längre eftersom vi lever under den Nya Testamentet (Jesus har uppfyllt lagen men den moraliska lagen gäller fortsatt), men betyder inte det att en sådan lag ändå en gång i tiden gällde i vår historia med uppmuntran från Gud själv?

Javisst gällde lagen i vårt förflutna för Gamla Testamentets Israel och för alla som valde att ansluta sig till den judiska gemenskapen. Men lagen är inte så galen som en del kritiker vill göra gällande.

5 Mos. 21:18 Om någon har en uppstudsig och trotsig son, som inte lyder sin far eller mor och inte lyssnar på dem trots att de tuktar honom, 19 så skall hans föräldrar ta honom och föra honom till de äldste i staden vid stadens port. 20 Och de skall säga till de äldste i staden: ”Den här, vår son, är uppstudsig och trotsig och vill inte lyda oss utan är en frossare och drinkare.” 21 Då skall alla män i staden stena honom till döds. Du skall skaffa bort det onda ifrån dig. Hela Israel skall höra detta och känna fruktan.

Till att börja med kan vi se att det inte handlar om små barn utan en individ som är gammal nog för att vara en frossare och drinkare. Att vara frossare och drinkare tyder på ett invant mönster och ett beteende som pågått under en längre tid. Det innebär att lagen inte ger föräldrar rätt att dra iväg en son till domare för en eller flera enstaka förseelser. Vidare kan vi se att det också krävs tuktan från föräldrarnas sida innan de får gå vidare i fallet, och även det innebär en process som pågått under en längre tid. Lagen ger alltså inte föräldrar rätt att gå vidare i fallet förrän ett stadium nåtts där sonen måste betraktas som en oåterkallelig frossare och drinkare, och där en längre tids tuktan och varningar inte hjälpt.

Lagen ger ingen tvärsäker bild om exakt när detta stadium uppnåtts, vilket förstås ger föräldrarna utrymme att fortsätta att varna och hoppas på att deras alkoholistson till slut ska omvända sig. På det sättet kräver inte lagen att föräldrarna måste agera ens vid upprepade förseelser (om det inte handlar om ett permanent mönster) och vi kan förmodligen vara överens om att det krävs ganska mycket för att föräldrar slutgiltigt ska ge upp sin kamp om sin son. Eftersom föräldrar vanligtvis älskar sina barn så kan man förmoda att de inte skulle åberopa denna lag i första hand, utan göra allt vad de kan för att förmå sonen att lämna frosseri och ondska bakom sig. Det var allså föräldrarna som avgjorde när de varnat sin son tillräckligt och när de ansåg att de måste ge upp sina försök och i stället anmäla sin onda son till de äldste för stening.

Även om det inte är vanligt så kan det förekomma att en son växer upp och lever på ett destruktivt sätt både för sin egen del och för andra i sin omgivning. Han själv kan komma till skada och andra kan komma till skada pga hans fylleri som ofta är kopplat till aggressivitet och våldsbenägenhet. För Israels del var det otrolig viktigt att folket levde moraliskt rätt eftersom de var Guds utvalda folk och eftersom det var tänkt att de skulle vara goda föredömen för andra folk. Att se genom fingrarna vad gäller ondska och destruktivitet skulle därför leda andra på fall, och dessa lagar gällde under en speciellt tid i vår historia tid då det var en direkt teokratisk ledning. Det var alltså Gud själv som styrde, och ett sådant styre har vi inte idag. Med tanke på konsekvenserna så var det alltså bättre med allvarliga lagar än att tillåta allehanda ondska som skulle kunna orsaka förfall och förlorade själar. Om Israels folk skulle vara precis likadana syndare som alla andra, så skulle ingen heller söka sig till just Israels Gud. Av det skälet var det viktigt att ha tydliga restriktioner.

Vad gäller lagarna givna under Exodus så används de i stort också för att drunkbegränsa och/eller förhindra människors eventuella iver att döma och bestraffa alldeles för hårt! Genom att beskriva i lag vad som krävs innan straff kan bli aktuellt, så förhindras därmed människor från att straffa för hårt, eller att ta lagen i egna händer. Vidare hade israelerna ingen rätt att börja applicera sina lagar på människor som inte ens tillhörde deras folk.

Det är inte ens känt om några föräldrar under Mose lag ens åberopade denna lag, så kanske lagen i sig självt var tillräcklig för att förmå söner att undvika frosseri och för föräldrar att uppfostra sina söner så att de aldrig skulle komma in på den banan.

Gamla Testamentets ej längre aktuella lagar kan inte jämföras med Koranens alltjämt gällande våldsbejakande lagar

Slutligen kan vi se att ovan lag i 5 Mosebok inte kan jämföras med Islams lagar som fortfarande är precis lika aktuella idag som de alltid varit, och som alla muslimer förväntas lyda utan prut IDAG. Koranen uppmuntrar till våld mot alla otrogna och dessa tydliga suror går inte att komma runt. Av den anledningen är det tyvärr befogat att vara avvaktande vad gäller muslimer, för vi vet ju att deras egna religiösa skrift uppmuntrar till våld mot alla icke-muslimer. Lyckligtvis känner inte alla muslimer till lagarna, och även om de skulle göra det kanske majoriteten föredrar att omtolka dem och/eller helt enkelt vägra lyda dem. De kanske väljer att inte tänka på att Muhammed är ämnad att vara deras ideal och ett mönster att försöka efterlikna. Deras sanna inställning känner vi inte alltid till och därför kan det vara klokt att vara försiktiga. Vi kan bara vara tacksamma över att de flesta muslimer inte är trogna sin religiösa skrift.

”Bekämpa dem som inte tror på Allah eller den sista dagen, eller som inte respekterar det som är förbjudet enligt Allah och hans profet, eller som inte accepterar Sanningens religion ibland Bokens folk (judar och kristna), tills de under frivillig underkastelse betalar jizyah och erkänner sig besegrade” (S. 9:29). + ”Döda dem var du än finner dem”.

Muhammad: ”Jag har blivit beordrat av Allah att kämpa mot människorna ända till de vittnar om att ingen har rätt att dyrkas förutom Allah och att Muhammad är Allahs budbärare, genomför bönerna med perfektionism och ger den obligatoriska allmosan. (Sahih Bukhari bok 9 1,24.)

Say: can you expect for us (and fate) other than one of two glorious things (martyrdom or victory)? But we can expect for you either that Allah will send his punishment (for not believing in Allah) from Himself, or by our hands. So wait (expectant); we too will wait with you 9:52

Senare suror ”abrogerar” (ersätter) tidigare suror om fred och fördrag med andras religioner. Kravet att begära pengar för beskydd enligt Jizyah (liknande maffia-beskydd) har varit mycket vanligt förekommande i de flesta muslimska länder. Vilket alltså är helt naturligt eftersom detta är vad Koranen påbjuder.

God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit raised JESUS up from the dead – quickening

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Water, ice, steam, fog, dew – several forms of the same essence

The godhead (God) which is ONE contains three persons (God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit), but Jesus Christ has expressed himself through two natures – a divine nature and a human nature. While Christ’s body was dead, he remained alive since God cannot die. The Bible does not say that God the Father alone raised Jesus from the dead, but rather that each one of God the Father, Jesus the son and the Holy Spirit rose Jesus up from the dead. Either God is a God of confusion, or the trinity is true.

God is able to be in a burning bush (or in the shape of a pillar of fire, or a pillar of cloud) at the same time as he remains in heaven and at the same time as he is elsewhere viewing and sometimes even participating in people’s actions. In such cases we would not be talking about several Yahwehs being all over the place, but we would rather suggest it’s the same Yahweh being in multiple places at the same time. Three piles of sand can easily become one pile of sand.

JESUS gave up his own life and raised himself up from the dead

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?21 But he spake of the temple of his body.22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

John 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

The Holy Spirit raised Jesus up from the dead

Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

God the Father raised Jesus up from the dead

Gal. 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)

Eph. 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 

1 Pet. 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

God raised Jesus up from the dead

Acts 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.—32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

1 Thessalonians 1:9 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

+ Acts 3:15,26, 4:10; 5:30; 10:40; 13:30, 33, 34, 37, Rom. 4:24; 6:4, 10:9; 1 Cor. 6:14Col. 2:12, 1 Pet. 1:21

God quickens ALL THINGS, and yet we read that the son also quickensjohn 5

Do you honor God the Father as the supreme being, Mighty God, the Creator of the world, the Lord of Lords, the only one to worship, the beginning and the end, etc? You are requested to honor the son in the same way according to John 5:23. The Jews wanted to kill Jesus for a reason, and that reason is that he made himself equal to God.

John 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, MAKING HIMSELF EQUAL WITH GOD.19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so THE SON QUICKENETH whom he will.22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Notice above how the son quickens whom he wills, just like his Father quickens whom he wills. If it’s God who quickens whom he wills in both cases (both when it comes to himself and his son), then it wouldn’t make any sense to even mention that the son quickens whom he wills if it’s really God the Father who alone has this power and authority. Also the Holy Spirit is able to quicken dead souls. If God really quickens ALL THINGS as the verse below claims, then there shouldn’t be any mentioning of anyone else doing any quickening when it comes to bringing someone (back) to life, UNLESS of course God is a trinity. The trinity alone can get rid of Bible contradictions in relation to God.

1 Tim. 6:13 I give thee charge in the sight of GOD, who quickeneth ALL THINGS, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;

Rom. 8:11 But if the SPIRIT of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies BY HIS SPIRIT that dwelleth in you.

1 Pet. 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by THE SPIRIT.

Rom. 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

1 Cor. 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Col. 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Vad är MODALISM, Oneness Pentecostal och Engudsläran?

jesusModalism, Oneness Pentecostal, Engudsläran, etc, är olika namn på i princip samma lära. Läs mer om dessa läror nedan.

BAKGRUND

Ordet ”treenighet” finns inte i Bibeln, men det är lätt att förstå att uttrycket en gång myntades eftersom det är kortare att säga det  ordet i stället för ”Jag tror att Gud är EN enda GUD, som består utav Fadern, sonen Jesus Kristus och den helige Ande, och jag tror att Jesus alltid funnits tillsammans med sin Fader sedan urminnes tider, och att absolut ingenting fanns före honom eftersom allting skapades av och genom Jesus”. Bibeln säger att 1) Gud Fader är Gud, att  2) Jesus Kristus är Gud (såsom i Hebr. 1:8) och att 3) den helige Ande är Gud, och det är därför som vi kristna tror på treenigheten. Även de gamla kyrkofäderna de första århundradena e Kr trodde också på treenigheten, och även de inhämtar sin kunskap från skriften samt de ögonvittnen som skrev ner texterna. Jesus är inte samma person som sin Fader, för vi vet ju att Jesus tillbad sin Fader och kommunicerade med honom när han levde som människa på jorden. När Jesus dog på korset kommunicerade han med Gud Fader i himlen. Som människa hade inte Jesus samma kunskaper som sin Fader, vilket visar att de är separata personer även om de båda ingår i treenigheten. Jesus hade ju en helt annan tillvaro i Gudomen/treenigheten innan han valde att bli människa.

Matt. 24:36 Men om den dagen eller stunden vet ingen något, inte himlens änglar, inte ens Sonen, ingen utom Fadern.

Varför döpa människor i flera olika namn om det bara finns en enda Gud som inte har några andra personer eller dimensioner i sig själv? Det vore förbryllande. Om däremot de tre personerna finns i gudomen så förklarar det saken.

Matt. 28:19 Gå därför ut och gör alla folk till lärjungar! Döp dem i Faderns och Sonens och den helige Andes namn

Bibeln benämner Gud på ett ställe som ”godhead” i engelska KJV, vilket översätts till ”gudom” på svenska, och vilket kommer från det grekiska ordet ”theotés” och vilket alltså betyder gudom eller Gud. Det är Jesus som sägs ha hela gudomens fullhet boende i sig, och sägs vara huvudet över alla makter och väldigheter. Detta blir ett problem om man måste separera Jesus som en annan slags Gud än skaparGuden – eftersom man inte kan ha två huvuden över alla makter och väldigheter.

Kol. 2:Ty i honom bor GUDOMENS (Strong’s 2320) hela fullhet i kroppslig gestalt, 10 och i honom är ni uppfyllda, han som är huvudet över alla makter och väldigheter.

Det är förstås viktigt att man tillber den rätta Guden, men Gud begär heller inte det omöjliga och förväntar oss att vi ska förstå det här med treenigheten om vi inte ens haft tillgång till vare sig Biblar eller predikanter. Gud vet ju precis vad vi vet eller inte och dömer oss helt korrekt. Det är värre om man nu har tillgång till en Bibel och rebelliskt sluter sina sinnen inför Jesu gudomlighet, eftersom man från början bestämd att man inte kan tänka sig det alternativet.

Joh. 8:23 Han sade till dem: ”Ni är nerifrån, jag är ovanifrån. Ni är av den här världen, jag är inte av den här världen. 24 Därför sade jag till er att ni kommer att dö i era synder. Ty om ni inte tror att JAG ÄR, skall ni dö i era synder.”

Vi kan läsa på flera ställen att det är Jesus som är ”jagär” (Guds namn), och eftersom Jahve också är ”jagär” så kan det bara betyda att det är en och samma Gud vi talar om. Det verkar också vara av yttersta vikt att ge Jesus den ära som han förtjänar som skaparGuden. Därför tror jag att man är mycket illa ute om man haft alla möjligheter i sin Bibel att se just detta, men ändå vänder ryggen till Jesus som skaparGud. Läs mer om Antikrists ande här.

Det är inte säkert att man förnekar Jesu gudom (att Jesus är Gud) bara för att man förnekar treenigheten, även om det vore en logisk slutsats. Att tro att Fadern är Gud och att Jesus är en annan slags gud är slående likt polyteism, men de som har denna tro förnekar förstås att det skulle handla om det. De som förnekar treenigheten men som tror att både Fadern och sonen är Gud kanske använder argumentet att Jesus är ett uppenbarelsesätt av den ende skapareGuden, och av den anledningen kallas Gud i alla sina olika uppenbarelseformer. Problemet med en sådan lära är att uppenbarelsebformer Jesus verkar be till sig själv ibland (när han i form av sonen ber till Gud Fader) och även diskuterar med sig själv såsom han gjorde i Getsemane:

Matt. 26:39 Och han gick lite längre bort, föll ner på ansiktet och bad: ”Min Fader, om det är möjligt, låt denna kalk gå ifrån mig. Men inte som jag vill utan som du vill.”—42 Sedan gick han bort för andra gången och bad: ”Min Fader, om denna kalk inte kan tas ifrån mig, utan jag måste dricka den, så ske din vilja.

Ett annat argument är att Jesus endast är Gud på samma sätt som en del andra kan kallas Gud enligt. Joh. 10:34, men problemet är att de sällan går tillbaka till den psalm (och psalmer är poetiska) som åtsyftas och därför inte förstås Jesus poäng med sina ord till de judar som ville stena honom för att han gjorde sig själv till Gud. Läs mer om begreppet ”gudar” i  Joh. 10:34 här. Att orsaka inflation på benämningen Gud är förstås att förringa den riktiga Guden.

Eftersom vi kristna på många ställen i Bibeln kan se stöd för att Jesus är den högste skaparGuden och även inser att det är av högsta vikt att ge honom den ära som han förtjänar som Gud, så finns det en risk att vi tar för givet att folk delar vår tro så fort de säger att de tror att både Fadern och sonen är Gud och att sonen dessutom är Messias. I själva verket så kanske de inte alls accepterar Jesus sanna Gudom i form av skapare, och den han säger sig vara, om de bara ser honom som ett uttryckssätt av Fadern och ett skapat väsen som har en början. Om man är skapad så har man INTE all makt (och har aldrig haft det) utan man har någon enormt mycket högre i makt över sig. Att Jesus tillfälligtvis var lägre i rang än Fadern när Jesus vandrade på jorden (eller i drömmar, uppenbarelser, etc), är en helt annan sak eftersom ju Jesus då även var lägre i rang än änglarna.

Fysikern Isaac Newton förkastade treenighetsläran till förmån för arianismen (eller vad vi nu väljer att kalla läran).

De största hoten mot kristendomen var, enligt Ireneaus, Hippolytus och Tertullianus, etc, gnosticismen och och polyteismen (”hedendomen”). Augustinus var en berömd före detta gnostiker. 

URSPRUNG

Modalism/Modalistisk Monarkianism – Betyder tron att Fadern, Sonen och den Helige Ande inte ska uppfattas som tre olika personer/individer i treenigheten utan snarare som tre olika uppenbarelsesätt av den ende Guden. Uppenbarelseformer kallas ”modi” och därav namnet. Enligt modalismen så är Jesus skapad av Gud (precis som arianisterna trodde) och har alltså en början – vilket innebär att det fanns en tid i vår historia där Jesus inte fanns vare sig i andlig eller köttslig form. När Jesus sedan föddes så var han en uttrycksform av den ende Guden, och den ende Guden har förstås alltid funnits. Modalisterna använder gärna verser såsom Joh. 14:28 och Joh. 17:20-26, där Jesus talar om att ”alla skall vara ett, och att såsom du, Fader, är i mig och jag i dig, också de skall vara i oss”, som stöd för att visa att enheten handlar om tanke och vilja, och inte alls en fysisk treenighet. Men sanningen är förstås att dessa två ståndpunkter inte motsäger varandra. Eftersom Modalismen fokuserar på Guds absoluta enhet så menar de att Jesus inte kan vara någon annan än samma person som Fadern, och enda skillnaden är namnet på en och samma person. Konsekvensen blir då att Fadern (Gud i sin helhet) i Kristus blev människa och blev pinad och korsfäst (patripassianism), alternativt  att Gud omvandlade sig till Jesus och nedsteg till jorden och korsfästes och blev sedan till fadern igen. Unitarianism skiljer sig från Modalism på det sättet att de förstnämnda anhängarna inte tror att Jesus är gudomlig. Både modalisterna och Oneness Pentecostal-anhängare kan uttrycka sig med att Gud tagit en köttslig skepnad i form av Jesus, men de menar ändå inte att Jesus är en egen personlighet och den ursprungliga skaparGuden, utan bara ett uppenbarelsesätt av Gud Fader.    

SabellianismEn lära som kan ha varit likartad som Modalismen och som är uppkallad efter prästen och teologen Sabellius, som levde i Rom under början av 200-talet. Han var förmodligen inte först med sin lära utan var influerad av Noetus and PraxeasVi ska inte bedöma en lära efter människors åsikter och majoritetsröster, men sabellianismen avvisades som heretisk av den Katolska kyrkan vid ett kyrkomöte år 261, och förstås i Nicea 325 som agerade emot Arianismen.  Sabellius levde för länge sedan och inte mycket finns sparat efter honom, och därför är det svårt att helt klargöra det exakta innehållet av läran. Det finns en risk att Tertullian och Hippolytus missförstod och/eller vinklade hans åsikter.

Arianism – Påverkad av nyplatonism. Den förmodligen mest kända historiska person som började ändra på Bibelns lära om treenigheten är Arius från Alexandria (260-336), och han trodde att Jesus var skapad, och är fallet att man är skapad så är man inte den ursprungliga skaparGuden. Eftersom Gud är EN så kan inte Jesus vara ännu en Gud utöver skaparGuden. Därför är inte Jesus Gud, såvida man inte ser Jesus som Gud i hans egenskap som Guds budbärare/profet/agent. Arianismen fördömdes av biskop Alexander av Alexandria år 319 och därefter vid kyrkomötet i Nicaea år 325. Arianerna uteslöts inledningsvis ur den kyrkliga gemenskapen, men kejsar Konstantin upphävde fördömandet två år senare. Arius ansåg att ORDET var en kraft från Gud Fader, och eftersom han trodde att Jesus inte var evig (han hade ju en början som en skapad varelse) så var egentligen Jesus vare sig egentlig Gud eller egentlig man, eftersom han som man hade en mycket högre rang än alla andra människor – trots att han inte var skaparGuden. Arius ansåg att Jesus var underordnad och åtskild från Gud – eftersom han var skapad. Läs mer om Nicea här.

Adoptianism – Läran att Jesus från början var enbart människa men ”adopterades” som Guds son genom dopet i Jordan. Läran har sitt ursprung i Spanien på 700-talet, men den har tidigare paralleller. Ebjoniterna, den grupp som antas ligga bakom den till 100-talet daterade apokryfiska skriften Ebjoniterevangeliet, hade t ex en sådan lära. I Spanien framställdes den först av ärkebiskop Elipandus i Toledo och biskop Felix i Urgellis, men kyrkomötena i Regensburg 792, Frankfurt am Main 794 samt Aachen 799 fördömde läran då den ansågs vara en upprepning av det nestorianska villoläran.

Patripassianism – Myntades av Tertullianus på 200-talet, och dess anhängare identifierade sonen med Fadern och hävdade att Fadern hade lidit döden på korset tillsammans med Sonen.

Monarkianism – En samlad beteckning för de teologiska uppfattningar som tar avstånd från den klassiska treenighetsläran som innehåller tre olika personer. ”Monarchiam tenemus” (vi håller fast vid Guds enhet)

MODERNARE TERMERchurch

Unitarism eller unitarianism – En rörelse som uppstod på 1500-talet och som avvisade treenighetsläran. Anhängarna tror INTE att Jesus är gudomlig (Gud). Anhängarna accepterar i allmänhet religiös pluralism och kan finna värde i många andra läror, men lägger störst vikt vid Kristi lära. De första unitarierna ville förena monoteism med en kristen humanism, och därför förnekade de Jesu gudomlighet och framhöll honom i stället som en människa som Gud utsett till budbärare/profet. Det finns alltså vissa likheter med en del Messianskt troende judar. I kristen mening är Jesus inte kristen enligt unitaristerna. Jesu uppgift var att visa människorna att de kunde få evigt liv och detta gjorde han genom att dö som en människa och uppstå från de döda. Om Jesus hade varit Gud hade allt detta varit meningslöst – judarna och andra monoteister visste ju redan att Gud har evigt liv.  I 1600- och 1700-talens England förenades unitarismen med deismen till en förnuftsreligion. I USA grundades i början av 1800-talet American Unitarian Association (AUA) som 1961 förenades med de besläktade universalisterna. Även i Sverige grundades på 1800-talet några unitariska samfund, och idag finns bland annat den unitariska kyrkan i Malmö.

Oneness-pentecostalism (Engudsläran) – En rörelse som förnekar treenighetsläran och döper endast i Jesu namn, som man menar är det sanna namnet på Fadern, Sonen och den Helige ande. Oneness-rörelsen är INTE unitaristisk eftersom anhängarna tror på både Jesu gudomliga och mänskliga natur. Det kan självfallet finnas undantag.  Det finns många likheter med modalism, och vad gäller Branham så finns det mer likheter med arianism. Det är vanligt att tro att tungomålstal är ett krav för frälsning, och de tror att  Gud är EN person, där Fadern (en ande) är förenad med Jesus (en man) som en Guds son.  De tror inte att sonen funnits för evigt, utan de tror att Jesus blev ”son” när han fick kött här på jorden. Innan dess var han Fadern. Därför benämner de Fadern som ande och sonen som kött, även om de tror att både Fadern och sonen är en och samma person fast i olika skepnader.  Anhängarna tror alltså på en enda Gud som manifesteras på olika sätt – som Fader, son och helig Ande. Ibland kan anhängarna vilja benämnas som en ”Jesus Name” församling. United Pentecostal church och United Apostolic churches är två vanliga Oneness-kyrkor, och  i Sverige finns församlingen Klippan och Budskapsförsamlingen i Arvika (branhamiter).

Jesus-Only/Jesus Name doctrine – En rörelse som förnekar treenighetsläran, och döper endast i Jesu Kristi namn. Liksom treenighetstroende så tror de att Gud är EN, men de tror inte att denne Gud innehåller tre olika personer. De har en modalistisk tro på så sätt att de tror snarare att Gud kan uppenbara sig på olika sätt. De tror att Jesus är det rätta namnet på denne Gud. Oneness Pentecostals föredrar ibland att kallas ”Jesus Name” och inte ”Jesus-Only”.

Swedenborgianism – Uppkallad efter Emanuel Swedenborg (1688–1772). Swedenborg betonade att treenigheten handlar om att Fadern, Sonen och den Helige Ande är ett i Jesus Kristus, och att Gud därför är en. Han var en stark motståndare till tanken att Gud på samma gång är tre separata personer: Gud Fader, Guds Son och den Helige Ande. Istället lärde han att  Fadern är själen, Sonen är kroppen och Anden är verksamheten. Jesus Kristus dyrkas i sin gudomliga människonatur som Gud, Frälsare och Livgivare av människans ande. I Sverige finns ”Nya Kyrkan” i Stockholm och Jönköping,  och  Herrens Nya Kyrka finns i Stockholm. Dessa två kyrkor har olika inriktningar. 

Den klassiska treenigheten avvisas av också av anabaptister, Jehovas vittnen, Kristadelfianer, Jesu Kristi kyrka av sista dagars heliga, delar av den messianska rörelsen samt Bahai.

Ireneaus:

Detta är vår tros huvudpunkter, byggnadens grundval och den trygga vägen: Gud, Fadern, oskapad, ofattbar, osynlig, en enda Gud, alltings skapare. Detta är den första huvudpunkten i vår tro. Den andra huvudpunkten är Guds Ord, Guds Son, Kristus Jesus, vår Herre, som uppenbarades för profeterna efter deras sätt att profetera och enligt ordningen i Faderns frälsningsplan. Genom honom har allting blivit till och vid tidens slut har han blivit människa bland människor, synlig och påtaglig för att sammanfatta allt, förinta döden, låta livet träda fram (1 Tim. 1:10) och skapa gemenskap mellan Gud och människa. Den tredje huvudpunkten är den Helige Ande genom vilken profeterna profeterade, fäderna undervisade om Gud och de rättfärdiga leddes på rättfärdighetens väg. Vid tidernas ände har han på ett nytt sätt blivit utgjuten över mänskligheten för att över hela jorden förnya människan inför Gud. /  Bevis för den apostoliska förkunnelsen, sid 18, Artos förlag

Läs mer citat som visar på de äldre kyrkofädernas tro på treenigheten här.

CONSTANTINE did not start the TRINITY doctrine at the Council of Nicaea

niceaThe First Council of Nicaea was a council of Christian bishops in Nicaea initiated by the Roman Emperor Constantine I in AD 325, and this was the first effort to reach a consensus in the church concerning some of new teachings that had emerged by this time. Its main accomplishments were settlement of the issue of the nature of Jesus Christ and the observance of the date of Easter.

Doctrines and ideas that Constantine did NOT start

Easter, the biblical canon, worship on a Sunday, worshiping of the sun, the trinity…Constantine did not start any new ideas at the council at Nicaea!

When it comes to Easter many get confused due to this English term and fear that this is a pagan holiday. Some even think that Constantine is guilty of introducing this pagan holiday into church, but that is not the case. The English-speaking countries might use the word ”Easter” for the holiday which is celebrated right after Good Friday, but other countries rather use the word Passover – or the equivalent in their languages. Passover is certainly not a pagan holiday (and it’s of course not a requirement to celebrate this holiday by decorating the house with chickens, hens, rabbits, eggs, etc), and you can read more about this controversy here. The council at Nicaea was used (among other things) to come to a consensus when it comes to selecting a proper date for the celebration of Easter (Passover), but that is not the same thing as introducing a pagan holiday into church.

There is no record of any discussion of the biblical canon at the council. Constantine commissioned fifty Bibles for the Church of Constantinople the year 331, but it’s not certain whether his request was for fifty copies of the entire Old and New Testaments or not. He did not commission any Bibles at the council itself. No historical evidence points to involvement on his part in selecting books for inclusion in commissioned Bibles. (The books that ended up in the Biblical canon were those who had always been regarded as valid testimonies of Jesus Christ, due to the witnesses that wrote them and due to the time when they were written. So it’s not that a group of people gathered together a few hundred years after the death of Jesus and started the book selection by using a blank sheet of paper and voted about it.)

Constantine cannot be blamed for starting the tradition to celebrate Sabbath on Sunday, since the early christians had already started to do this soon after the death of Jesus. See more here.

Constantine did not introduce the idea to perform sun worship rather than son worship. Sun and son might sound similar in English, but that’s certainly not the case in other languages. Constantine did not even speak English, and the council was not held in English.

The council of Nicaea dealt primarily with the issue of the deity of Christ. Over a century earlier the use of the term ”trinity” (Τριάςin Greek; trinitas in Latin) could be found in the writings of Origen (185-254) and Tertullian (160-220), and a general notion of a ”divine three” was expressed in the second century writings of Polycarp, Ignatius, and Justin Martyr. See some quotes below. The concept of the deity of Christ and the trinity can be found in numerous places in the Bible, as well as in the writings of the early church fathers – before the council at Nicaea took place.

It’s unfortunate that some christians get the wrong idea that certain doctrines started at Nicaea just because they were discussed there and just because a consensus was reached. If for instance the concept of the trinity (and/or deity of Christ) had its roots in the council at Nicaea, it shouldn’t have been taught prior to it – and particularly not in the Bible – but we can see that the contrary is the case. If both the Bible and the early church fathers (before the council at Nicaea) teach the same thing, it’s good evidence for that it can be trusted. One new idea which was introduced into church several hundred years after the death of Christ (around the time of Augustine), is the doctrine of the original sin – which only the gnostics taught. Augustine made this doctrine popular also in church, despite that the early church fathers before him fought against this gnostic doctrine. The doctrine of the trinity, however, has always been taught in the Bible and among the first church fathers. You can read more about the evidence for the trinity here.

Arianism (with its Trinitarian controversy) must not be looked upon as an isolated theory by its founder Arius 

The council did triumph over Arianism but confusion in theological terminology was the main reasons for a long drawn out battle. Arius  regarded the Logos (word) as no more than a power of the Father, and he believed that before time began the Father had created the Son by the power of the Word to be His agent in creation. The Son was  therefore not to be identified with the Godhead, and he was only God in a derivative sense. Since there was once a time when he did not exist, he could not be eternal, and he was actually neither proper God (since God the Father was before him and created him) nor proper man (since he was above all men due to his direct creation by God). Arius’ views began to spread among the people and Alexander the Bishop called a meeting of his priests and deacons to discuss the matter. The Bishop insisted on the unity of the Godhead, but Arius continued to argue that since the Son was begotten of the Father then at some point he began to exist.  The argument ended up dividing the church. Athanasius and friends insisted that the Son was as truly God as the Father.

Emperor Constantine was upset by this division so he summoned a conference of all the bishops of the church – but few representatives from the western churches made it to the meeting in Nicaea. There were still around 300 bishops, and the council agreed that Jesus is truly God, so it published a creed stating the Christian faith in a way that condemned Arianism. One account from the meeting is from History of the Church by Socrates Scholasticus (who wrote 100 years after Eusebius). Much of his account consists of direct quotations from Eusebius’s Life of the Constantine and from a letter of the earlier historian – and Eusebius was present at the council. Eusebius, bishop of Nicomedia (not to be confused with Eusebius Pamphilus, Bishop of Caesarea) supported the opinion of Arius. These were opposed by Athanasius, a deacon of the Alexandrian church. This creed was agreed to by 318 members, and there were only five who refused to sign – objecting to the term homoousios, “of the same substance”.  The Emperor sent Arius into exile, along with Eusebius and Theognis and their followers. Eusebius and Theognis, however, wrote a declaration that they had changed their opinion and now agreed that the Son and the Father are of the same substance.

Quotes from old church fathers about the deity of Christ and the trinity

Jesus is not only the son of God, but also GOD IN FLESH.

For OUR GOD JESUS CHRIST, was, according to the appointment of God, conceived in the womb by Mary, of the seed of David, but by the Holy Ghost.” (Epistle of Ignatius to the Ephesians 4:9)

”…GOD HIMSELF appearing in the form of a man, for the renewal of eternal life.” (Epistle of Ignatius to the Ephesians 4:13)

”Continue inseparable from JESUS CHRIST OUR GOD.” (Epistle of Ignatius to the Trallians 2:4)

”For even OUR GOD; JESUS CHRIST, know that He is in the Father”. (Epistle of Ignatius to the Romans 1:13) 

Brethren, WE OUGHT SO TO THINK OF JESUS CHRIST AS OF GOD : as of the judge of the living and the dead”. (2nd Epistle of Clement to the Corinthians 1:1) 

”For Christ is King, and Priest, and GOD and Lord…” (Justin Martyr, Dialogue With Trypho, 34)

”…He preexisted as the Son of the Creator of things, BEING GOD, and that He was born a man by the Virgin.” (Justin Martyr, Dialogue With Trypho, 48)

”Now may the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the eternal High Priest Himself, THE GOD JESUS CHRIST, build you up in the faith…” (The Epistle of Polycarp to the Church at Philippi, 12)

”In order that to Christ Jesus, our Lord, and GOD, and Savior, and King…” (Irenaeus Against Heresies, 1.10.1)

”But he Jesus is himself in his own right, beyond all men who ever lived, GOD, Lord, and king eternal, and THE INCARNATE WORD, proclaimed by all the prophets, the apostles …The Scriptures would not have borne witness to these things concerning Him, if, like everyone else, He were mere man.” (Irenaeus Against Heresies 3:19.1-2) 

”For with Him were always present the Word and Wisdom, the Son and the Spirit, by whom and in whom, freely and spontaneously, He made all things, to whom also He speaks, saying, ‘Let us make man after our image and likeness’”.(Irenaeus Against Heresies, 4:10)

Irenaeus, 115-190 ”The Church, though dispersed throughout the whole world, even to the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and their disciples this faith: …one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are in them; and in one Christ Jesus, the Son of God, who became incarnate for our salvation; and in the Holy Spirit, who proclaimed through the prophets the dispensations of God, and the advents, and the birth from a virgin, and the passion, and the resurrection from the dead, and the ascension into heaven in the flesh of the beloved Christ Jesus, our Lord, and His manifestation from heaven in the glory of the Father ‘to gather all things in one,’ and to raise up anew all flesh of the whole human race, in order that to Christ Jesus, our Lord, and GOD, and Savior, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father, ‘every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth, and that every tongue should confess; to him, and that He should execute just judgment towards all…’” (Against Heresies X.l)

Tertullian, 160-225 ”We define that there are two, the Father and the Son, and three with the Holy Spirit, and this number is made by the pattern of salvation… [which] brings about unity in trinity, interrelating the three, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.  They are three, not in dignity, but in degree, not in substance but in form, not in power but in kind.  They are of one substance and power, because there is one God from whom these degrees, forms and kinds devolve in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.” (Adv. Prax. 23; PL 2.156-7).

”We have also as a Physician the Lord OUR GOD JESUS THE CHRIST the only-begotten Son and Word, before time began, but who afterwards became also man, of Mary the virgin.  For ‘the Word was made flesh.’ Being incorporeal, He was in the body; being impassible, He was in a passable body; being immortal, He was in a mortal body; being life, He became subject to corruption, that He might free our souls from death and corruption, and heal them, and might restore them to health, when they were diseased with ungodliness and wicked lusts.” (Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson, eds., The ante-Nicene Fathers, Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1975 rpt., Vol. 1, p. 52, Ephesians 7.)

Abraham’s meeting with GOD and two angels

abraham 2Justin Martyr, 100-165 AD

” I [Justin] inquired. And Trypho said, ”Certainly; but you have not proved from this that there is another God besides Him who appeared to Abraham, and who also appeared to the other patriarchs and prophets. YOU HAVE PROVED, however, that we [the Jews] were WRONG in believing that the three who were in the tent with Abraham were all angels.” I [Justin] replied again, ”If I could not have proved to you from the Scriptures that ONE OF THOSE THREE IS GOD, because, as I already said, He brings messages to those to whom God the Maker of all things wishes [messages to be brought], then in regard to Him who appeared to Abraham on earth IN HUMAN FORM IN LIKE MANNER AS THE TWO ANGELS who came with Him, and WHO AS GOD EVEN BEFORE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD, it were reasonable for you to entertain the same belief as is entertained by THE WHOLE OF YOUR NATION.” ”Assuredly,” he said, ”for up to this moment this has been our [the Jews] belief.” … ”And now have you not perceived, my friends, that one of the three, WHO IS BOTH GOD AND LORD, and ministers to Him who is in the heavens, is Lord of the two angels? For when [the angels] proceeded to Sodom, HE REMAINED BEHIND, and COMMUNED WITH ABRAHAMin the words recorded by Moses; and when He departed after the conversation, Abraham went back to his place. And when he came [to Sodom], the two angels no longer conversed with Lot, but Himself, as the Scripture makes evident; and He is the LORD who received commission from the LORD who [remains] in the heavens, i.e., the Maker of all things, to inflict upon Sodom and Gomorrah the [judgments] which the Scripture describes in these terms: ‘The Lord rained down upon Sodom and Gomorrah sulphur and fire from the Lord out of heaven.’ ”(Dialogue of Justin Martyr, with Trypho, a Jew, Chapter LVI.—God Who Appeared to Moses is Distinguished from God the Father.)

Irenaeus,  115-190 AD

”Therefore neither would the Lord, nor the Holy Spirit, nor the apostles, have ever named as God, definitely and absolutely, him who was not God, unless he were truly God; nor would they have named any one in his own person Lord, except God the Father ruling over all, and His Son who has received dominion from His Father over all creation, as this passage has it: ”The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit Thou at my right hand, until I make Thine enemies Thy footstool.” Here the [Scripture] represents to us the Father addressing the Son; He who gave Him the inheritance of the heathen, and subjected to Him all His enemies. Since, therefore, the Father is truly Lord, and the Son truly Lord, the Holy Spirit has fitly designated them by the title of Lord. And again, referring to the destruction of the Sodomites, the Scripture says, ”Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah fire and brimstone from the LORD out of heaven.” For it here points out that the Son, who had also been talking with Abraham, had received power to judge the Sodomites for their wickedness. And this [text following] does declare the same truth:”Thy throne, O GOD; is for ever and ever; the scepter of Thy kingdom is a right scepter. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity: therefore GOD, Thy God, hath anointed Thee.” Forthe Spirit designates both [of them] BY THE NAME; OF GOD — both Him who is anointed as Son, and Him who does anoint, that is, the Father.” (Irenaeus, Book 3, ch 6)

Tertullian, 160-225 AD

”That is a still grander statement [of Christ’s deity] which you will find expressly made in the Gospel: ”In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” There was One ”who was,” and there was another ”with whom” He was. But I find in Scripture the name Lord also applied to them Both: ”The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit Thou on my right hand.” And Isaiah says this: ”Lord, who hath believed our report, and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed? ” Now he would most certainly have said Thine Arm, if he had not wished us to understand that the Father is Lord, and the Son also is Lord. A much more ancient testimony [of Christ’s deity] we have also in Genesis: ”Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven.” Now, either deny that this is Scripture; or else (let me ask) what sort of man you are, that you do not think words ought to be taken and understood in the sense in which they are written, especially when they are not expressed in allegories and parables, but in determinate and simple declarations?” (Tertullian, Against Praxeas, Chapter XIII.

 Ignatius, 30-117 AD

”For Moses, the faithful servant of God, when he said, ”The Lord thy God is one Lord,” and thus proclaimed that there was only one God, did yet forthwith confess also our Lord [Jesus] when he said, ”The Lord [Jesus] rained upon Sodom and Gomorrah fire and brimstone from the Lord.” And again [he confessed a second time our Lord Jesus by saying], ”And God said, Let Us make man after our image: and so God made man, after the image of God made He him.”” (The Epistle of Ignatius to the Antiochians, Chapter II.—The True Doctrine Respecting God and Christ.)

Cyprian, 200-258 AD

”In the Gospel according to John: ”The Father judgeth nothing, but hath given all judgment unto the Son, that all may honour the Son as they honour the Father. He who honoureth not the Son, honoureth not the Father who hath sent Him.” Also in the seventy-first Psalm: ”O GOD, give the king Thy judgment, and Thy righteousness to the king’s son, to judge Thy people in righteousness.”Also in Genesis: ”And the LORD rained upon Sodom and Gomorrah sulphur, and fire from heaven from the LORD.”” (The Treatises of Cyprian, Treatise XII. Three Books of Testimonies Against the Jews. Third Book., Testimonies., 33. That the Father judgeth nothing, but the Son; and that the Father is not glorified by him by whom the Son is not glorified.)

Novatian, 200–258 AD

”For who does not acknowledge that the person of the Son is second after the Father, when he reads that it was said by the Father, consequently to the Son, ”Let us make man in our image and OUR likeness; ” and that after this it was related, ”And God made man, in the image of God made He him? ”Or when he holds in his hands: ”The LORD rained upon Sodom and Gomorrah fire and brimstone from the LORD from heaven? ” (A Treatise of Novatian Concerning the Trinity, Chapter XXVI. Argument.—Moreover, Against the Sabellians He Proves that the Father is One, the Son Another.)

”Therefore the Lord overturned Sodom, that is, GOD overturned Sodom; but in the overturning of Sodom, the LORD rained fire from the LORD. And this Lord was the God seen by Abraham; and this God was the guest of Abraham, certainly seen because He was also touched. But although the Father, being invisible, was assuredly not at that time seen, He who was accustomed to be touched and seen was seen and received to hospitality. BUT THIS THE SON OF GOD,”The LORD rained from the LORD upon Sodom and Gomorrha brimstone and fire.”And this is the Word of God. And THE WORD OF GOD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWLTH AMNG US; AND THIS IS CHRIST. IT WAS NOT THE FATHER, THEN WHO WAS A GUEST WITH ABRAHAM, BUT CHRISTNOR WAS IT THE FATHER WHO WAS SEEN THEN; , BUT THE SON; AND CHRIST WAS SEEN. Rightly, therefore, CHRIST IS BOTH LORD AND GOD, who was not otherwise seen by Abraham, EXCEPT THAT AS GOD THE WORD He was begotten of God the Father before Abraham himself.” (A Treatise of Novatian Concerning the Trinity, Chapter XVIII. Argument.—Moreover Also, from the Fact that He Who Was Seen of Abraham is Called God; Which Cannot Be Understood of the Father, Whom No Man Hath Seen at Any Time; But of the Son in the Likeness of an Angel.)

Constitutions of the Holy Apostles

”To Him did Moses bear witness, and said: ”The LORD received fire from the LORD, and rained it down.” HIM DID JACOB SEE AS A MAN, and said: ”I have seen God face to face, and my soul is preserved.”HIM DID ABRAHAM ENTERTAIN, and acknowledge to be the Judge, and HIS LORD.” (Constitutions of the Holy Apostles, Book V. XX. A Prophetic Prediction Concerning Christ Jesus.)

1 Mos. 1:26 Gud sade: ”Låt oss göra människor till VÅR AVBILD, till att vara lika OSS. De skall råda över fiskarna i havet och över fåglarna under himlen, över boskapsdjuren och över hela jorden och över alla kräldjur som rör sig på jorden.” 27 Och Gud skapade MÄNNISKAN till sin avbild, till GUDS AVBILD skapade han henne, till man och kvinna skapade han dem.image

Epistle of Barnabas, 74 AD

”For the Scripture says concerning US, while He speaks to the SON, ”Let Us make man after Our image, and after Our likeness” (Epistle of Barnabas, Chapter VI.—The Sufferings of Christ, and the New Covenant, Were Announced by the Prophets.)

The Letter of Barnabas 74 AD

”And further, my brethren, if the Lord [Jesus] endured to suffer for our soul, he being the Lord of all the world, to whom God said at the foundation of the world, ‘Let us make man after our image, and after our likeness,’ understand how it was that he endured to suffer at the hand of men” (Letter of Barnabas 5)

Justin Martyr, 100-165 AD

Idén att Moses skulle mena att det var änglar som åsyftades med ”till vår avbild”, är en villolära, säger Justin

”In saying, therefore, ‘as one of us, ‘[Moses] has declared that [there is a certain] number of persons associated with one another, and that they are at least two. For I would not say that the dogma of that heresy which is said to be among you (The Jews had their own heresies which supplied many things to the Christian heresies) is true, or that the teachers of it can prove that [God] spoke to angels, or that the human frame was the workmanship of angels. But this Offspring, which was truly brought forth from the Father, was with the Father before all the creatures.” (Dialogue of Justin Martyr, with Trypho, a Jew: Chapter LXII.—The Words ”Let Us Make Man”)

Irenaeus, 115-190 AD

”It was not angels, therefore, who made us, nor who formed us, neither had angels power to make an image of God, nor any one else, except the Word of the Lord, nor any Power remotely distant from the Father of all things. For God did not stand in need of these [beings], in order to the accomplishing of what He had Himself determined with Himself beforehand should be done, as if He did not possess His own hands. For with Him were always present the Word and Wisdom,the Son and the Spirit, by whom and in whom, freely and spontaneously, He made all things, to whom also He speaks, saying, ”Let Us make man after Our image and likeness; ” [Gen. 1:26]” (Against Heresies 4:20:1).

Tertullian,  160-225 AD

”If the number of the Trinity also offends you, as if it were not connected in the simple Unity, I ask you how it is possible for a Being who is merely and absolutely One and Singular, to speak in plural phrase, saying, ”Let us make man in our own image, and after our own likeness; ” whereas He ought to have said, ”Let me make man in my own image, and after my own likeness,” as being a unique and singular Being?In the following passage, however, ”Behold the man is become as one of us,” He is either deceiving or amusing us in speaking plurally, if He is One only and singular. Or was it to the angels that He spoke, as the Jews interpret the passage, because these also acknowledge not the Son? Or was it because He was at once the Father, the Son, and the Spirit, that He spoke to Himself in plural terms, making Himself plural on that very account? Nay, it was because He had already His Son close at His side, as a second Person, His own Word, and a third Person also, the Spirit in the Word, that He purposely adopted the plural phrase, ”Let us make; ”and, ”in our image; ”and, ”become as one of us.” (Tertullian, Against Praxeas, Chapter XII. Other Quotations from Holy Scripture Adduced in Proof of the Plurality of Persons in the Godhead.)

”Since then he is the image of the Creator (for He, when looking on Christ His Word, who was to become man, said, ”Let us make man in our own image, after our likeness”), how can I possibly have another head but Him whose image I am? For if I am the image of the Creator there is no room in me for another head” (Tertullian, Book V, Elucidations, Chapter VIII.—Man the Image of the Creator, and Christ the Head of the Man.)

”In the first place, because all things were made by the Word of God, and without Him was nothing made. Now the flesh, too, had its existence from the Word of God, because of the principle, that here should be nothing without that Word. ”Let us make man,” said He, before He created him, and added, ”with our hand,” for the sake of his pre-eminence, that so he might not be compared with the rest of creation.” (Tertullian: On the Resurrection of the Flesh, Elucidations, Chapter V.—Some Considerations in Reply Eulogistic of the Flesh. It Was Created by God.)

Origen, 184-254 AD

”it was to Him that God said regarding the creation of man, ”Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness.” (Origen Against Celsus, Book V, Chapter XXXVII)

Novatian, 200–258 AD

”For who does not acknowledge that the person of the Son is second after the Father, when he reads that it was said by the Father, consequently to the Son, ”Let us make man in our image and our likeness; ” and that after this it was related, ”And God made man, in the image of God made He him? ”Or when he holds in his hands: ”The Lord rained upon Sodom and Gomorrah fire and brimstone from the Lord from heaven? ” (A Treatise of Novatian Concerning the Trinity, Chapter XXVI. Argument.—Moreover, Against the Sabellians He Proves that the Father is One, the Son Another.)

Constitutions of the Holy Apostles

”the divine Scripture testifies that God said to Christ, His only-begotten, ”Let us make man after our image, and after our likeness. And God made man: after the image of God made He him; male and female made He them.”(Constitutions of the Holy Apostles, Book V., VII)

You can read many more quotes in this article

Can we all be called GODS, as per John 10:34 and Ps. 82:6?

Jesus4Is it not written in your law, I said, YE ARE GODS? (John 10:34)

Yahve (Strong’s 3068) is used 6220 times in the Bible, and it’s the name of our only Creator God. No one else but our only true God is called by this name. (Yahve was one of three who ate with Abraham outside his tent – see my article about the angel of the Lord.)

Elohim (Strong’s 430) is another name for God and is used 2598 times in the Bible. This word has a little broader meaning even if our only true God is the most common meaning. – divine (1), divine being (1), exceedingly (1), God (2326), god (45), God’s (14), goddess (2), godly (1), gods (204), great (2), judges (3), mighty (2), rulers (1), shrine* (1).

El (Strong’s 410)  is used 248 times in the Bible and also means God in singular or plural. (A suitable name for a trinity.)

Adon (Strong’s 113) is used 325 times in the Bible and means Lord or Master, which of course God is

Theos (Strong’s 2316) is used 1327 times in the Bible (NT) and means God and/or Creator of all

People who refuse to accept the Biblical message that Jesus Christ is God

Whenever the above titles for GOD are used, the majority of the time they concern either 1) our only Creator God, or 2) false gods who are not real Gods at all according to the Bible. It’s not difficult to understand whether the text is referring to our real God or false gods, and we also get a great help by knowing Jahve is only used for our real God. However, it seems like the only times when some people are in doubt about which type of god the text is talking about, it’s only in those verses where Jesus Christ is called God, as in Hebr. 1:8. That’s because they often have an agenda to never accept the deity of Jesus, even if the verses clearly say so. It’s actually not surprising that some people take it as their mission to promote the idea that Jesus is not the WORD who was with God and who was GOD and lived among us (thus Jesus is God) because the spirit of Antichrist is active among us:

John 8:24 I said, therefore, to you, that ye shall die in your sins, for if ye may not believe that I am [he], ye shall die in your sins.’ Young’s Literal (I AM = ego eimi)

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and anantichrist.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.The same was in the beginning with God.All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.—14 And THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Excuses – ”Anyone can be called God, so it’s not a big deal that Jesus too was called God in Hebr. 1:8”?

We can read that Moses was to be AS GOD  for Pharao, and it’s not to be understood as though Moses is one God among many other gods. That would only make God the Creator to be a liar for suggesting that he is the only God if the truth is that polytheism is a reality. JAHVE (God) is only applied to our only Creator God in the Bible, but here Elohim is used.

Ex. 7:1 And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god (Elohim) to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. (KJV)

Ex. 7:1 And the Lord said to Moses, “See, I have made you LIKE God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet. (ESV)

Ex. 7:7 Then the Lord said to Moses, “See, I make you AS God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet. (NASB)

God said something similar about Aaron, and his status in relation to Moses:

Ex. 4:15 And thou shalt speak unto him, and put words in his mouth: and I will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth, and will teach you what ye shall do.16 And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be, even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and THOU SHALT BE TO HIM INSTEAD OF GOD. (KJV)

Ex. 4:16 He shall speak for you to the people, and he shall be your mouth, and YOU SHALL BE AS GOD TO HIM. (ESV)

Ex. 4:16 Moreover, he shall speak for you to the people; and he will be as a mouth for you and YOU WILL BE AS GOD TO HIM. (NASB)

So the above cannot be used as support for that people other than God can be called gods. There is, however, one particular verse that some people desperately put all their hope and energy on, in order to escape the clear meaning that Jesus is God – and that is John. 10:34

John 10:34 and Psalm 82:6 – ye are Godsjesus 4

John 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for BLASPHEMY; and because that THOU, BEING A MAN, MAKEST THYSELF GOD.34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?*) 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand (* See Ps. 82:6)

The above is a reference to the below psalm, and psalms often contain POETRY that MIRRORS the truth and uses SYMBOLIC PHRASES with a deeper meaning. Let’s keep this in mind so we don’t interpret such text in the wrong way and end up starting a false doctrine.

Ps. 82:1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

To start with, the reason these jews provide for wanting to stone Jesus is due to blasphemy, ”because you being a MAN, make yourself GOD”. The jews were experts on the Scriptures, and they understood that human beings should not call themselves GOD. The first commandment is, after all:

Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

If people other than GOD can literally be called ”gods” (like mighty judges) by others, then we end up having other gods before GOD, and we also end up making God to be a liar for falsely saying that we should have no other gods when he himself endorses multiple gods. But doesn’t Jesus confirm the availability of other gods in his statement in John. 10:34? He confirms this PSALM and the correct meaning of both the psalm and the term ”gods” in its proper context – the way they are supposed to be understood. If certain individuals (like judges and leaders) can also commonly be addressed as gods, then there would be a huge risk that the above commandment would be watered down, and this wouldn’t be according to God’s plans. The jews did not relax the slightest bit when Jesus confirmed that he was the son of God and that the Father is in him and he is in the Father, because calling oneself the son of God and suggesting that the Father and the son are inside each other, is still calling oneself GOD! God certainly doesn’t have any children together with a woman, so if you’re a son to God you have your origin in God himself which means you’re God. So the jews still wanted to kill Jesus, and they knew exactly which psalm that Jesus was quoting from.

The jews were familiar with all the psalms, including Ps. 82:6 which Jesus was referring to when he said ”Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods”. If godly judges can be called ”gods” because they represent God, how much more should not Jesus Christ be able to call himself this (despite not being a judge) since he is sent by God the Father who was with him from eternity past in the trinity? This seems to be the way the jews understood him too, because we can read n v. 39 that THEREFORE (for this reason) they tried to take him once again. They felt Jesus confirmed his deity by referring to that passage where he gave his arguments for why he had the right to be called God.

The word for God in Ps. 82:6 is not ”Jahve” but ”Elohim”, and while this usually refers to either the Creator God or ”false gods who are no real gods”, it can also be translated as ”mighty ones” which could apply to judges who are ordained by God to do his work, and God himself is a mighty one – even the mightiest one. ”I have said, Ye are gods”, i.e. ”in my law I have called you gods”. They are given such name and status since they judge on God’s behalf and act as his representatives, but they are not ”gods” in the strictest sense. They are possessing a derived divinity, and in a sense ”children of the most high”. In the law, they were so by God’s appointment because he constituted them judges and  although they were gods by office, they were also mortal men and would die. It’s not likely that any of those judges were at any time literally called ”god” in real life, due to the commandment to have no other Gods but GOD.

Examples of judges appointed by God to do his work:

Deut. 1:13 Take you wise men, and understanding, and known among your tribes, and I will make them rulers over you.14 And ye answered me, and said, The thing which thou hast spoken is good for us to do.15 So I took the chief of your tribes, wise men, and known, and made them heads over you, captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, and captains over fifties, and captains over tens, and officers among your tribes.16 And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.17 Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; but ye shall hear the small as well as the great; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God’s: and the cause that is too hard for you, bring it unto me, and I will hear it.18 And I commanded you at that time all the things which ye should do.

2 Cron. 19:And said to the judges, Take heed what ye do: for ye judge not for man, but for the Lord, who is with you in the judgment.

Ps. 58:1 Do ye indeed speak righteousness, O congregation? do ye judge uprightly, O ye sons of men?Yea, in heart ye work wickedness; ye weigh the violence of your hands in the earth.—Which will not hearken to the voice of charmers, charming never so wisely.Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth: break out the great teeth of the young lions, O Lord.—10 The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked.11 So that a man shall say, Verily there is a reward for the righteous: verily he is a God that judgeth in the earth.

Rom. 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God’s ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

Paul explains why there on one hand exists only ONE God, and on the other hand we learn about multiple gods, and even multiple lords. ”There is none other God but ONE”, says Paul, and ”TO US there is but ONE GOD”. (Do read my blog article about the claim ”the only true God” in this blog article.) Surely we can trust him? So if God the Father dares to call his son ”GOD” in Hebr. 1:8, he isn’t contradicting what Paul is saying here, and neither does he contradict himself from his own previous claims where he says there is ONE GOD only. Other lords are only lords in the sense of being ”masters” (and they are certainly not ”Lord of Lords” which the Father AND the son call themselves), and other gods are either false gods (so no gods at all), or gods in the symbolic sense due to their office and they are likely never literally addressed as gods by others (in order to not disobey God’s commandment about serving only one God).

1 Cor. 8:As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idolswe know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that THERE IS NONE OTHER GOD BUT ONE.For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)6 But TO US THERE IS BUT ONE GOD, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.

5 Mosebok 4:35 Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the Lord he is God; there is none else beside him.— 39 Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the Lord he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.

John is told to NOT worship the angel but to worship GOD. John didn’t ask ”which one of all gods should I worship?”

Rev. 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: WORSHIP GOD: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Rev. 22:And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: WORSHIP GOD.

If it’s alright for other individuals apart from God to be called God, then why was the prince of Tyrus (or Satan, which is the angelic comparison) sinning for also calling himself God? As a prince (or as a messenger of God, as Satan was) he would be a person in lead of others, and he was also supposed to act as a judge for them, so maybe calling oneself ”god” in the Psalm 82:6- sense was rather fitting? Yet, God is not at all pleased with prince of Tyrus calling himself a god, and he criticizes him heavily and calls him proud. Why did God motivate his criticism towards him with ”yet thou art A MAN and not God”? That sounds like God finds it preposterous for a mere human being to call himself God. So did the jews who wanted to kill Jesus!

Ezekiel 28:Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord God; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God

The house of David will be ”LIKE” God, so LIKE the angel of the Lord (who is Jesus Christ incarnate) going before them – just like the angel of the Lord (Jesus) went before the Israelites in the desert.

Zechariah 12:8 On that day the LORD will shield those who live in Jerusalem, so that the feeblest among them will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the angel of the LORD going before them.

Jesus is trying to get the jews to understand that if the symbolic term god can be applied to certain individuals with a certain mission from God and with a proper office, and this is NOT considered blasphemy, then neither should they accuse Jesus of blaspheming, because he is in the Father and the Father is in him. Who can make such a claim unless you’re the son of God? Being the son of God equals having the source in God, meaning you originated in God which means you’re GOD!

Do read another blog article about Hebrews 1:8 where Jesus is called GOD by his Father.

God the Father calls his son GOD in HEBR. 1:8, because Jesus is GOD

Hebr. 1:But UNTO the SON he saith, THY THRONE, O GOD (theos), is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God (theos), even thy God (theos), hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows (KJV)

God is addressing his SON when he says ”thy throne, O GOD….”, and if God the Father can call his son GOD, then so can we. The Greek text allows for a couple of alternative ways to understand the text; ”God is your throne for ever and ever…” or ”Your throne God, is for ever and ever …”. The world’s Bible translators and Greek scholars have chosen the last alternative for good reasons, and why should we believe that they were are all wrong? Because we personally don’t like their conclusions? It’s not logical to say and believe that God is Jesus THRONE, and nowhere else in the Bible can we see a similar statement. God is not a throne or a monument for Jesus, but he is his Father and a partner in the same Deity and they also SHARE the same throne since Jesus is sitting on the right hand of God on this throne. If someone has decided beforehand that Jesus cannot be God, then of course he would prefer the first alternative at the same time as he RULES OUT the second alternative, to not let it disturb his desired conclusion. Or else the only outcome would be that Jesus in fact IS God, precisely as God the Father has declared, but cult members (like Jehovas witnesses, christadelpians, etc) do their utmost to avoid any translation that smells ”Jesus is God”, and of course muslims do the same.

  • Hebr. 1:But of the Son he says,“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever (ESV)
  • Hebr. 1:But of the Son He says,“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever (NASB)
  • Hebr. 1:and unto the Son:`Thy throne, O God, [is] to the age of the age (Young’s Literal)
  • Hebr. 1:8 Mas del Hijo dice: Tu trono, oh Dios, por el siglo del siglo (Reina Valera 1960)
  • Hebr. 1:Mais au sujet du Fils, il dit: Ton trône, ô Dieu, subsiste pour toute éternité (La Bible du Semeur)
  • Hebr. 1:aber von dem Sohn: ”Gott, dein Stuhl währt von Ewigkeit zu Ewigkeit (Luther Bibel 1545)

The verse is also a reference to psalm 45:6-8 with almost the exact same phrase:

Psalm 45:6 Thy throne, O God (Elohim), is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God (Elohim), thy God (Elohim), hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.All thy garments smell of myrrh, and aloes, and cassia, out of the ivory palaces, whereby they have made thee glad.

It’s common that Biblical texts make parallels between people, cities and nations and Ezekiel 28 is a good example of this since one section is about Satan despite that the chapter starts out speaking about an earthly the King (the King of Tyrus). Psalm 45 starts out addressing a King (which also applies to Jesus but not in a worldly sense) and continues by addressing GOD, so if this psalm is in relation to God then Hebr. 1 should be in relation to God as well because the phrases are the same! It’s hard to get around the fact that the son is indeed called GOD by his Father. We also know from the Bible that there is only one true God (not several true Gods) OR false gods, so which category fits Jesus? A false God or a true God?

Hebr. 1:1 God (theos), who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Adam Clarke Commentary on Hebrews 1:8:

”Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever – If this be said of the Son of God, i.e., Jesus Christ, then Jesus Christ must be God; and indeed the design of the apostle is to prove this. The words here quoted are taken from Psalm 45:6, Psalm 45:7, which the ancient Chaldee paraphrast, and the most intelligent rabbins, refer to the Messiah. On the third verse of this Psalm, ‘Thou art fairer than the children of men,’ the Targum says: ‘Thy beauty, מלכא משיחא malca Meshicha, O King Messiah, is greater than the children of men.’ Aben Ezra says: ‘This Psalm speaks of David, or rather of his Son the Messiah, for this is his name, Ezekiel 34:24 : And David my servant shall be a prince over them for ever.’ Other rabbins confirm this opinion.

”This verse is very properly considered a proof, and indeed a strong one, of the divinity of Christ; but some late versions of the New Testament have endeavored to avoid the evidence of this proof by translating the word thus: ‘God is thy throne for ever and ever;’ and if this version be correct, it is certain that the text can be no proof of the doctrine. Mr. Wakefield vindicates this translation at large in his History of Opinions; and ὁ Θεος being the nominative case is supposed to be sufficient justification of this version. In answer to this it may be stated that the nominative case is often used for the vocative, particularly by the Attics, and the whole scope of the place requires it should be so used here; and with due deference to all of a contrary opinion, the original Hebrew cannot be consistently translated any other way; כסאך אלהים עולם ועד kisacha Elohim olam vaed, ‘Thy throne, O God, is for ever and to eternity.’ It is in both worlds, and extends over all time, and will exist through all endless duration. To this our Lord seems to refer, Matthew 28:18 : ‘All power is given unto me, both in Heaven and Earth.’ My throne, i.e., my dominion, extends from the creation to the consummation of all things. These I have made, and these I uphold; and from the end of the world, throughout eternity, I shall have the same glory – sovereign unlimited power and authority, which I had with the Father before the world began; John 17:5. I may add that none of the ancient Versions has understood it in the way contended for by those who deny the Godhead of Christ, either in the Psalm from which it is taken, or in this place where it is quoted. Aquila translates אלהים Elohim, by Θεε, O God, in the vocative case; and the Arabic adds the sign of the vocative ya, reading the place thus: korsee yallaho ila abadilabada, the same as in our Version. And even allowing that ὁ Θεος here is to be used as the nominative case, it will not make the sense contended for without adding εστι to it, a reading which is not countenanced by any Version, nor by any MS. yet discovered. Wiclif, Coverdale, and others, understood it as the nominative, and translated it so; and yet it is evident that this nominative has the power of the vocative: Forsothe to the sone God thi troone into the world of worlde: a gerde of equite the gerde of thi reume. I give this, pointing and all, as it stands in my old MS. Bible. Wiclif is nearly the same, but is evidently of a more modern cast: But to the sone he seith, God thy trone is unto the world of world, a gherd of equyte is the gherd of thi rewme. Coverdale translates it thus: ‘But unto the sonne he sayeth: God, thi seate endureth for ever and ever: the cepter of thy kyngdome is a right cepter.’ Tindal and others follow in the same way, all reading it in the nominative case, with the force of the vocative; for none of them has inserted the word εστι is, because not authorized by the original; a word which the opposers of the Divinity of our Lord are obliged to beg, in order to support their interpretation.”

Excuses – Anyone can be called God, so it’s not a big deal that Jesus too was called God in Hebr. 1:8?

We can read that Moses was to be AS GOD for Pharao, and it’s not to be understood as though Moses is one God among many other gods. That would only make God the Creator to be a liar for suggesting that he is the only God if the truth is that polytheism is a reality. JAHVE (God) is only applied to our only Creator God in the Bible, but here Elohim is used.

Ex. 7:1 And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god (Elohim) to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. (KJV)

Ex. 7:1 And the Lord said to Moses, “See, I have made you LIKE God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet. (ESV)

Ex. 7:7 Then the Lord said to Moses, “See, I make you AS God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet. (NASB)

God said something similar about Aaron, and his position in relation to Moses:

Ex. 4:15 And thou shalt speak unto him, and put words in his mouth: and I will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth, and will teach you what ye shall do.16 And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be, even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and THOU SHALT BE TO HIM INSTEAD OF GOD. (KJV)

Ex. 4:16 He shall speak for you to the people, and he shall be your mouth, and YOU SHALL BE AS GOD TO HIM. (ESV)

Ex. 4:16 Moreover, he shall speak for you to the people; and he will be as a mouth for you and YOU WILL BE AS GOD TO HIM. (NASB)

Most of the time when we read about GOD in the Bible it’s obviously in relation to our only Creator God, but sometimes we can also read about God (using the word Elohim and never Jahve) in relation to FALSE gods, which are no real gods at all according to the Bible. The only exception is when Jesus referred to gods in John. 10:34, which in turn is a reference to Ps. 82:6

Ps. 82:I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

Psalms contain much poetry which mirrors the reality, and Jesus point is that if those are ”called” gods who are set up to do the work of God here on earth as God’s representatives and judges, then this term would be applicable to him as well since he is God in flesh and has come to earth to do the will of his Father – both as a representative and as a manifestation of him. Despite this psalm (which of course the Jews knew very well) there is no evidence of that a God’s representative/judge on earth has ever literally been called and addressed as God. As soon as Jesus made a reference to his right to be called GOD, they wanted to kill him and they openly stated that they wanted to stone him precisely because he, a mere man, made himself to be GOD (John 10:33). Evidently that was a sin in the eyes of the Jews, because only GOD should be called GOD! Again, each time we read about the term GOD, it’s most of the time in relation to our Creator God, and secondly in relation to false gods who are no real gods. So WHY pretending that people being called God is commonly done, and that this would be the reason to why also Jesus was called God? Being called GOD by the Father means you’re God!

If we constantly run into a bunch of gods any given day, and if we can be called THEOS as well, shouldn’t the authors of the Bible make sure to explain whether they are talking about THEOS the Creator or other ”ordinary” THEOS who are not really Creator-gods? In reality we never have any difficulties understanding which THEOS the authors are talking about because we have learned that there is only ONE THEOS/God, and all others gods are no real gods at all but made up IDOLS.

It seems like the only place where some people have difficulties understanding who the authors are talking about, are those instances where JESUS is claimed to be THEOS, because no other verses with THEOS are disputed!  Hebr 1 starts out talking about THEOS (God) and about his son, so if we the chapter starts out talking about our CREATOR THEOS, why not believing that the subject always concerns our real Creator God? When we read ”therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee”, both the Father and the son are called THEOS, so why not believing they are both THEOS and our Creator? That doesn’t result in multiple gods, but multiple persons in the godhead.

Not only is Jesus called GOD, but many godly attributes are connected to him throughout Hebr. 1 so this is not about people like you and me even if we were to be workers of God’s here on earth. We can read that he:

  1. is heir of all things
  2. is the brightness of his glory
  3. is the express image of his persoon
  4. upholds all things by the word of his power
  5. by himself purges us from our sins
  6. sits down at the right hand of the Majesty
  7. is better than the angels (despite that we can read in Phil. that he is lower than the angels as man on earth)
  8. is begotten, unlike the angels
  9. shall be WORSHIPED by the angels (we are to worship God alone)
  10. has an eternal throne
  11. has a sceptre of righteousness which is the sceptre of his kingdom (attributes to God in OT)
  12. is called GOD, LORD and ANOINTED
  13. has in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the works of HIS hands (despite that the exact same thing can be said about GOD)
  14. remains the same and is eternal

These are attributes which can hardly be linked to those representatives/judges that we read about in psalm 82:6! The fact that some people  try to use Joh. 10:34+Ps. 82:6 as support for their idea that it’s not a big deal to be called God, only shows their desperation when they run out of good arguments.

God alone created everything with his own hands – and the son did too!Jesus9

God doesn’t share his honor with anyone (Isaiah 42:8) but shares it with his son. Note also the expressions in Hebr. 1:10-12:

Hebr. 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

The above is a reference to the psalm below with identical phrases. This psalm is in relation to GOD who created all things with his own hands, and if these attributes are linked to GOD in this psalm, why would the exact same attributes and phrases not be linked to God in Hebr. 1?

Psalm 102:24 I said, O my GOD, take me not away in the midst of my days: thy years are throughout all generations.25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.26 They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed:27 But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.

Isaiah 44:24 says that God was alone in his creation, so how come there is no mention of Jesus? That’s because Jesus is God, so God was indeed alone when he made his creation:

Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth BY MYSELF;

Isaiah 42:Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

Col. 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Why fight against the Bible’s clear teaching that Jesus is God? Why siding with Antichrist who fights against the teaching that Jesus is the word, who was God, who came to earth in flesh and died for our sins?

2 John 1:For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist

John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM he, ye shall die in your sins.

Tillät Gud sitt folk israel att gifta sig med tillfångatagna flickor? (5 Mos. 21)

CreationNär vi läser i 5 Mosebok 21 så kanske vi uppfattar Gud som grymmare än nödvändigt, men vi måste försöka läsa vad som står och notera vad som faktiskt INTE står och som vi kanske omedvetet läser in i texten. När vi läser om människor som dör, och som t o m dör väldigt unga, så måste vi ha i åtanke att:

  1. GUD har rätt att skapa människor och han har därför rätt att avlägsna människor från jorden.
  2. ALLA ska dö förr eller senare. Om inte FÖRR så definitivt SENARE.
  3. Bebisar och unga barn som dör hamnar inte i helvetet eftersom de inte är medvetna om Guds lag. Om de däremot växer upp och beter sig som sina (onda) föräldrar så kanske de väljer att bli lika onda som dem, och då måste de ansvara för sina egna handlingar och döms därefter.
  4. Det är inte på den här jorden som vi kan förvänta oss långa, lyckliga och totalt rättvisa liv utan i NÄSTA. Fram tills vi kommer till vårt permanenta hem så måste vi acceptera att vi kan drabbas av orättvisor och olyckor, och som sagt, en gång kommer vi till slut att dö eftersom vi inte längre kan nå Livets träd.

Vad gäller de bud som Gud gav sitt folk i Gamla Testamentet så kan vi inte utgå ifrån att dessa bud också gäller oss hedningar idag, eftersom det vanligaste är att dessa endast handlade om israel (och de som valde att ansluta sig till Israel) och oftast under en begränsad tid – t ex till Messias ankomst. Några bud som alltid har gällt i alla tider är tio Guds bud – kanske med undantag av Sabbatsbudet på det sätt som det formades senare.

Vad gäller attacker och utrotning av kananéer och filisteer måste vi komma ihåg detta:

  • Det var ingen människa som beslöt att kananéerna skulle attackeras utan Universums skapare som kan göra helt korrekta bedömningar eftersom han ser helheten.
  • Kananéerna fick varningar om attacken minst 2 år innan den skedde och de VISSTE vad som skulle ske och konfirmerade t o m att det handlar om den sanna Gudens krav. De gavs flera chanser både att fly eller att ansluta sig till israelerna.
  • Kananéerna var inte några oskyldiga smålänningar utan grymmare än Hitler, Stalin, Mao och Pol Pot, och de offrade sina egna barn i elden. Det fanns även liknande besläktade folkslag som inte längre finns kvar på jorden idag eftersom de till slut utrotades. Det sägs att de var väldigt storväxta människor (jättar) och likadant var det innan floden när nephilim levde och orsakade mycket ondska på jorden. Då valde Gud att radera ut allt människoliv eftersom t o m deras tankar var enbart onda. Det går alltså inte att jämföra med de människor som lever idag.
  • Gud kunde se att det skulle bli fler mord av oskyldiga människor om onda folkslag skulle få leva än om de INTE skulle få leva, och han tog då det bättre alternativet att eliminera hela rasen för att undvika så mycket dödande som möjligt. Tyvärr lydde inte israel Guds krav på total utrotning av exempelvis filistéerna, vilket ledde till att de blev fler, vilket i sin tur ledde till mycket fler dödande än om israel lytt Guds krav från första början. Även under Sauls tid hade israel problem med blodtörstande filistéer som fortfarande levde kvar. Återigen, MÄNNISKOR har inte vare sig kunskap eller makt att ta sådana beslut men det har GUD. Så det faktum att israel hade fiender som de krigade mot är ingen främmande tanke, och inte heller att det förekommer fångar i krig. Krig är aldrig trevligt för någon part eftersom det alltid leder till död, umbäranden och saknad av nära och kära.

Buden i 5 Mos. 21 är precis som alla andra bud speciellt till för att skydda de svaga partierna genom att försäkra dem rättigheter.

1) Först ut handlar det om förfarandet när man hittar en ihjälslagen människa utan att veta vem som mördat personen 

Att på egen hand bestämma sig för att ta en annan människas liv är mycket allvarligt i Guds ögon och något som han också ville inpränta hos sitt eget folk. Den döda personen själv kanske redan har fått ett kvitto på att han ska ärva Guds rike (det beror alldeles på hur han levt) men Gud vill inte att hans eget folk ska leka gudar och beröva människor deras liv. Däremot får han förstås själv ta ett sådant beslut eftersom han är SKAPAREN.

De äldste/domarna ombeds att mäta vilken stad som ligger närmast den döde, och det är mycket möjligt att det inte alls krävs något omfattande mätande överhuvudtaget om den döde ligger mycket nära en stad. Prästerna ombeds att tvätta sina händer ovanför en kviga som en äldste krossat nacken på (en snabb död) och de ska sedan intyga ”Våra händer har inte utgjutit detta blod, och våra ögon har inte sett dådet”. Vi kan dra en liknelse till vissa Domstolar som valt att använda Bibeln för att uttala en ”ed” över. Idén är att denna ritual ska få människor att hålla sig till sanningen för att det krävs mycket styrka att ljuga när de håller sina händer på Guds ord. Det finns ingen förlåtelse utan blod så kon ingick i djuroffersystemet under den gamla testamentets tid, och orden från prästerna betydde att de rentvådde sig från skuld och att det som hänt sedan är glömt och försonat. Mer kan de inte göra. Skulle mördaren ifråga finnas i staden (troligt) så skulle han kunna vara åskådare av dessa ritualer som borde få honom att känna av sitt dåliga samvete. Det är okänt om en sådan här händelse någonsin inträffade eller om det var nog med att det fanns en lag om saken för att alla skulle vilja avstå.

5 Mos. 21:1 Om man i det land som Herren, din Gud, ger dig till besittning påträffar en ihjälslagen människa liggande på marken och man inte vet vem som har dödat honom, skall dina äldste och dina domare gå ut och mäta avståndet från den ihjälslagne till de städer som ligger runt omkring. De äldste i den stad som ligger närmast den ihjälslagne skall ta en kviga, som inte har blivit använd i arbete och inte burit ok. De äldste i staden skall föra kvigan ner till en dal med rinnande vatten där man inte plöjt eller sått, och där i dalen skall de krossa nacken på kvigan.Och prästerna, Levi söner, skall träda fram, ty dem har Herren, din Gud, utvalt för att göra tjänst inför honom och välsigna i Herrens namn, och efter deras beslut skall alla tvister och våldsbrott avgörasAlla de äldste i den stad som är närmast den ihjälslagne skall tvätta sina händer över kvigan som man krossat nacken på i dalenoch de skall intyga och säga: ”Våra händer har inte utgjutit detta blod, och våra ögon har inte sett dådet. Försona ditt folk Israel, som du har friköpt, Herre, och låt inte oskyldigt blod komma över ditt folk Israel.” Därmed får de försoning för denna blodskuld. Så avlägsnar du skulden ifrån dig för det oskyldiga blodet, för du skall göra det som är rätt i Herrens ögon.

2) Israeler tilläts gifta sig med kvinnliga fångarIsraeli wife

Israelerna blev ofta varnade av Gud att de INTE skulle gifta sig med vissa onda folkslag, men  i andra fall verkar det som Gud gick med på det när det gäller människor som inte bodde i det förlovade landet (alltså inte kananéer och filistéer) även om det endast stannar vid en teorisk möjlighet. Israelerna var inte tillåtna att attackera några andra utanför Kanaans område, så om de hamnade i krig med andra kan det bara bero på att de själva blev attackerade först inom sina egna gränser.

När vi läser nedan om att det är lovligt för israelerna att gifta sig med en fånge (Gud gav kvinnorna speciella rättigheter) så får vi inte bara ta för givet att kvinnan själv INTE vill gifta sig och att giftermålet alltså skulle ske av tvång. Få moraliska män skulle trivas med att vara gift med en kvinna som han vet motsäger sig giftermålet och därmed tvingas leva med en person som inte gensvarar på hans kärlek. Det kan göra vilket giftermål som helst väldigt surt och det kan inte vara något eftertraktar. Väljer kvinnan att gifta sig så måste hon gå igenom en viss ritual och hon får tid att sörja sina föräldrar. Först efter en månad i fästmannens hus får de sedan bli man och hustru.

Guds tanke är att ett giftermål ska vara mellan en man och en kvinna och vara för hela livet, men pga människornas egen ondska så måste Gud ibland anpassa lagar efter verkligheten för att beskydda den svagare parten. Det kan senare i livet bli så att mannen inte trivs i äktenskapet, och det kan förslagsvis bero på att kvinnan inte vill släppa sin egen (onda) kultur och/eller att hon själv inte trivs med att leva bland israelerna och deras traditioner. Gud ser hur som helst till att kvinnan har större rättigheter än en slav/tjänare om det slutar med att äktenskapet bryts, vilket är ett stort misslyckande. (Det här med slavar kräver ett eget blogginlägg för att visa att det oftast handlar om tjänare och/eller att frivilligt ansluta sig till ett hushåll under en viss herre.) Mannen får INTE sälja henna för pengar eftersom hon aldrig var en slav/tjänare utan en hustru, även om hon började som kringsfånge.

5 Mos. 21:10 När du drar ut i krig mot dina fiender och Herren, din Gud, ger dem i din hand så att du tar fångar, 11 och du bland fångarna får se en vacker kvinna som du fäster dig vid och vill ta till hustru, 12 så skall du föra henne in i ditt hus, och hon skall raka sitt huvud och ansa sina naglar. 13 Hon skall lägga av de kläder hon bar som fånge, och hon skall bo i ditt hem och få sörja sin far och mor en månads tid. Därefter får du gå in till henne och bli hennes man och hon skall bli din hustru. 14 Om du sedan inte finner behag i henne, skall du låta henne gå vart hon vill. Du får inte sälja henne för pengar och inte heller behandla henne som en slavinna, eftersom du har FÖRNEDRAT henne.

5 Mos. 23:15 En slav som flytt till dig från sin herre, skall du inte utlämna till hans herre. 16 Låt honom få stanna hos dig, på den plats han väljer inom någon av dina städer, var han finner för gott. Du skall inte behandla honom illa.

3) Sen kommer  det här med förstfödslorätten

Gud anser som sagt att ett giftermål är till för en man och en kvinna för evigt, men för att se till att de svagare parterna har sina rättigheter så anpassar han lagarna till verkligheten när det går. En hustru har större rättigheter än en slav/tjänare, men det går för den skull inte att gifta sig med hur många kvinnor som helst för att ge ännu fler sådana rättigheter. En fullvärdig hustru har den rättigheten att maken betalar underhåll resten av hennes liv vilken är en enorm trygghet för henne och hennes barn. Att en man föredrar en fru före en annan är svårt att reglera med lag, men om det inträffar (ett av flera skäl varför polygama äktenskap har baksidor), så har Gud igen tänkt på att via lagen ge den svagare parten trygghet, och det är i det här fallet frun som inte är lika älskad samt hennes barn. En förstfödd är förstfödd oavsett vilken fru som föder barnet.

15 Om en man har två hustrur, en som han älskar och en som han hatar, och både den han älskar och den han hatar har fött söner åt honom och om hans förstfödde är son till den han hatar, 16 då får mannen inte, när han utskiftar arvet åt sina söner, ge förstfödslorätten åt den son han älskar, till skada för sonen till den han hatar, eftersom denne är den förstfödde. 17 Han skall i stället som den förstfödde erkänna sonen till den han hatar, och ge honom en dubbel lott av allt vad han äger. Ty denne är förstlingen av hans livskraft, honom tillhör förstfödslorätten.

4) En uppstudsig son ska stenas?teenage drunk

Notera:

  • Det handlar inte om ett litet barn utan en individ som är stor nog för att vara en frossare och drinkare.
  • Lagen säger inte att en son som trotsat sina föräldrar omedelbums måste anmälas till stadens äldste, utan det måste först ha föregåtts av en längre tid av tuktan, och ha nått ett sådant stadium att sonen blivit en frossare och drinkare. Det blir man inte av att ha frossat och druckit vid ett par tillfällen, utan det handlar om att det eskaleterat till en djup vana, trots upprepade varningar och tuktande från föräldrarnas sida.
  • Det är föräldrarna som avgör när de varnat sin son tillräckligt och när de anser att de måste ge upp sina försök för i stället  anmäla sin onda son till de äldste för stening. Det säger sig självt att det ska MYCKET till för att sonens egna föräldrar ska ta ett sådant steg eftersom det innebär fysisk död för deras egen son.
  • Tyvärr kan det förekomma att en son växer upp och lever på ett destruktivt sätt både för sig själv och för sin omgivning, även om det är ovanligt. För Israels del var det mycket viktigt att folket levde moraliskt rätt eftersom de var Guds folk och eftersom det var tänkt att de skulle vara goda föredömen för andra folk.
  • Det är inte ens känt att något sådant fall – där föräldrar anmäler sin son för de äldste – överhuvudtaget förekommit i Israel, så det kan hända att det var tillräckligt med att ha en lag om saken.

18 Om någon har en uppstudsig och trotsig son, som inte lyder sin far eller mor och inte lyssnar på dem trots att de tuktar honom, 19 så skall hans föräldrar ta honom och föra honom till de äldste i staden vid stadens port.20 Och de skall säga till de äldste i staden: ”Den här, vår son, är uppstudsig och trotsig och vill inte lyda oss utan är en frossare och drinkare.” 21 Då skall alla män i staden stena honom till döds. Du skall skaffa bort det onda ifrån dig. Hela Israel skall höra detta och känna fruktan.

5) Olika lagar och föreskrifter

22 Om det på någon vilar en synd som förtjänar döden och man avrättar honom och hänger upp honom på trä, 23 så skall den döda kroppen inte lämnas kvar på träet över natten. Du skall begrava den samma dag, ty en Guds förbannelse är den som har blivit upphängd. Du skall inte orena det land som Herren, din Gud, ger dig till arvedel.

Gud Fader kallar sin son GUD i Hebreerbrevet 1, eftersom Jesus är GUD

Hebr. 1:8 Men om SONEN säger han: GUD, din tron står i evigheters evighet, och rättens spira är ditt rikes spira (SFB)

Hebr. 1:8 säger han om Sonen: »Gud, DIN TRON förbliver alltid och evinnerligen, och rättvisans spira är ditt rikes spira.9 Du har älskat rättfärdighet och hatat orättfärdighet; därför, O GUD, har din Gud smort dig med glädjens olja mer än dina medbröder»(1917)

Gud adresserar alltså sin son när han säger detta, och han kallar honom GUD! Den grekiska grundtexten medger ett par olika sätt att läsa texten; ”Gud är din tron i evigheternas evighet… ” eller Din tron Gud, står i evigheters evighet…” Om man bestämt sig för att Jesus inte KAN vara Gud så vill man förstås gärna välja det första alternativet och dessutom gärna UTESLUTA det andra pga det störande resultatet. Annars kommer man ju till slutsatsen att Jesus verkligen ÄR Gud och många sektmedlemmar anstränger sig hårt för att undvika allting som osar ”Jesus är Gud”.  Det finns inga anledningar att tro att världens kunniga teologer, som i många fall också är experter på grekiska, har haft fel när de gjort sina översättningar. Det inte särskilt logiskt att säga ”Gud är din tron” för Gud är inte en tron eller ett monument för Jesus, utan hans Fader och kollega i treenigheten. Dessutom så delar de samma tron.

  • Hebr. 1:But unto the Son he saith, THY THRONE, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. (KJV)
  • Hebr. 1:8 But of the Son he says,“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever (ESV)
  • Hebr. 1:But of the Son He says,“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever (NASB)
  • Hebr. 1:and unto the Son:`Thy throne, O God, [is] to the age of the age (Young’s Literal)
  • Hebr. 1:8 Mas del Hijo dice: Tu trono, oh Dios, por el siglo del siglo (Reina Valera 1960)
  • Hebr. 1:Mais au sujet du Fils, il dit: Ton trône, ô Dieu, subsiste pour toute éternité (La Bible du Semeur)
  • Hebr. 1:aber von dem Sohn: ”Gott, dein Stuhl währt von Ewigkeit zu Ewigkeit (Luther Bibel 1545)

Hebr. 1:8 är en referens till psalm 45 med nästan samma ordalydelse, och där ser vi att det handlar om GUD:

Psalm 45:6 Skarpa är dina pilar, folk skall falla för dig, konungens fiender skall träffas i hjärtat.GUD (Elohim), DIN TRON står i evigheters evighet, ditt rikes spira är rättens spira.Du älskar rättfärdighet och hatar orättfärdighet. Därför, GUD (Elohim), har DIN GUD Gud (Elohim) smort dig med glädjens oljamer än dina medbröder. (SFB)

Psalmer reflekterar ofta sanningen med poetiska uttryck. Psalm 45 börjar med att adressera en Kung (vilket även Jesus är fast inte på ett jordiskt sätt) och fortsätter med att adressera GUD. Om det handlar om GUD i psalmen så borde samma ordalydelse i Hebr. 1 också handla om GUD, för ordalydelsen är märkbart likadan! Det är inte ovanligt att texter drar paralleller mellan olika personer, städer och länder och Hesekiel 28 är ett bra exempel på detta eftersom en sektion tydligt handlar om Satan, men ändå börjar kapitlet med att adressera Kungen av Tyrus. Hebréerbrevet är alldeles uppenbart adresserat till Jesus så därför kan parallellen dras att Psalm 45 handlar om Jesus som är GUD, och därför är detta en Messiansk psalm. Hela sammanhanget i Hebréerbrevet:

Hebr. 1:1 Sedan Gud (Theos) i forna tider många gånger och på många sätt hade talat till fäderna genom profeterna, har han nu i den sista tiden talat till oss genom sin Son. Honom har han insatt till att ärva allting, och genom honom har han också skapat världen. Sonen utstrålar Guds härlighet och uppenbarar hans väsen och uppehåller allt genom sitt mäktiga ord. Och sedan han utfört en rening från synderna, sitter han nu på Majestätets högra sida i höjden.Sonen är så mycket större än änglarna som det namn han har ärvt är förmer än deras.Till vilken av änglarna har Gud någonsin sagt: Du är min Son, jag har i dag fött dig? Eller: Jag skall vara hans Fader, och han skall vara min Son? Och när han låter den Förstfödde träda in i världen, säger han också: Alla Guds änglar skall tillbe honom.Om änglarna säger han: Han gör sina änglar till vindar och sina tjänare till eldslågor.Men om Sonen säger han: Gud (Theos), din tron står i evigheters evighet, och rättens spira är ditt rikes spira.Du älskar rättfärdighet och hatar orättfärdighet. Därför, Gud (Theos), har din Gud (Theos) smort dig med glädjens olja mer än dina medbröder.10 Och: Du, Herre, har i begynnelsen lagt jordens grund, och himlarna är dina händers verk.11 De skall gå under, men du förblir. De skall alla nötas ut som en klädnad.12 Som en mantel skall du rulla ihop dem, och som en klädnad skall de bytas ut. Men du är densamme, och dina år har inget slut. 13 Till vilken av änglarna har han någonsin sagt: Sätt dig på min högra sida, tills jag har lagt dina fiender som en fotpall under dina fötter. 14 Är inte änglarna andar i helig tjänst, utsända för att tjäna dem som skall ärva frälsningen? (SFB)

Jämför gärna psalmen om Kungen och om Gud med drottning Sabas uttryck om Salomo:

2 Krön. 9: Välsignad vare Herren, din Gud, som har funnit sådant behag i dig att han har satt dig på sin tron till att vara konung inför Herren, din Gud! Eftersom din Gud älskar Israel och vill hålla det vid makt till evig tid, därför har han satt dig till konung över dem, för att du skall skipa lag och rätt.”

Och Kung Davids nästan profetiska uttryck:

1 Krön. 28:Bland alla mina söner – för Herren har gett mig många söner – utvalde han min son Salomo till att sitta på Herrens kungatron och regera över Israel. Han sade till mig: Din son Salomo är den som skall bygga mitt hus och mina förgårdar. Ty honom har jag utvalt till min son, och jag skall vara hans fader. Jag skall befästa hans kungamakt FÖR EVIGT, om han står fast vid att följa mina bud och föreskrifter, som han nu gör. (+ 1 Krön. 29:22-25)

Nu är inte Salomo någon Gud (och det tråkiga med Salomo är att han förmodligen dog som en syndare ihop med sina ännu mer syndiga fruar) men det är en intressant jämförelse att denna Kung sattes på Herrens tron för att regera ”för evigt” som Guds representant på jorden, liksom också Jesus sattes på Herrens tron för att regera för evigt. I Salomos fall så handlar det om att regera på jorden, och i Jesus fall så handlar det om att regera i Guds rike där även änglarna ska komma att TILLBE honom. I båda fallen så är denna upphöjelse och löfte om den eviga regenttiden kopplad till kravet att lyda bud och föreskrifter. Salomo gjorde det inte, men Jesus var lydig till döden på korset. Messias skulle komma från Davids blodslinje (och Salomo är pappa till David), och även David var ju en Kung som satt på tronen. Denna Kung i Ps. 45 med alla sina gudomliga uttryck, verkar vara en profetisk liknelse till den kommande Kungarnas Kung som skulle framträda många år senare i form av Jesus, Messias. Även Jahve kallas Kungarnas Kung. Kungen i Ps. 45 är en profetisk bild av den kommande SANNA regenten i form av Jesus, som inte har ett begränsat rike på jorden utan ett evigt i himlen.

Gud ENSAM är Gud, så hur kommer det sig då att även Jesus kallas Gud? Endast treenigheten löser detta! Vidare läser vi här nedan att ingen i skyn ens kan jämföras Gud Herren, och VEM i all världen är honom lik? Absolut INGEN enligt psalmerna! Ändå läser vi i Hebr. 1:3 att Jesus är ”hans väsens avbild” som 1917 säger. Antingen innehåller psalmerna och boken Jesaja lögner, eller också är Jesus Gud och ingår i samma treenighet:

Ps. 89:4 ”Jag har slutit ett förbund med min utvalde, med ed har jag lovat min tjänare David:5 Din ätt skall jag låta bestå för evig tid och bygga din tron från släkte till släkte.” Sela.6 Himlarna prisar dina under, Herre, och din trofasthet i de heligas församling.7 Ty vem i skyn kan jämföras med Herren? Vem bland Guds söner är Herren lik?

Ps. 86:10 Herre, ingen är dig lik bland gudarnainga gärningar är som dina. Alla folk som du har gjort  skall komma och tillbe inför dig, Herre, de skall ära ditt namn. 10 Ty du är stor och du gör under. DU ENSAM ÄR GUD.

Hebr. 1:3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the EXACT REPRESENTATION of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high (NASB)

Bortförklaringar – vem helst kan kallas GUD så det betyder inget att Jesus kallas GUD i Hebr 1

Om vi ständigt och jämt stöter på gudar i vår vardag så borde det väl tydliggöras när det är just skaparguden i Bibeln som uttrycker sig? Men i själva verket så är det sällan något problem att förstå vilken Gud som uttrycker sig eftersom vi har lärt oss att det endast finns EN Gud allena och då borde det givetvis vara den Guden som det handlar om såvida ingenting annat tydligt sägs. De enda gångerna som några människor frågar sig ”vilken Gud handlar det om egentligen?” så verkar det ENDAST röra just de verser där JESUS påstås vara GUD! Inga andra verser ifrågasätts! Men om vi ser i Hebr. 1 så kopplas flera gudomliga attribut till Jesus som GUD, och dessa attribut kan absolut inte kopplas till vanliga människor som fått auktoritet av Gud att utföra hans domar. Hebr 1 säger att Jesus är Gud och att han:

  1. ärver allting
  2. utstrålar Guds härlighet
  3. uppenbarar hans (Guds) väsen
  4. uppehåller allt genom sitt ord
  5. renar människor från synden
  6. är större än änglarna (trots att vi kan läsa i Fil. att han är lägre än änglarna som människa på jorden)
  7. skall TILLBES av änglarna (endast GUD ska vi tillbe säger Bibeln uttryckligen)
  8. har en tron som står i evigheters evighet
  9. har en rättens spira som är sitt eget rikes spira (attribut som tydligt kopplas till GUD i GT)
  10. älskar rättfärdighet och hatar orättfärdighet (uttryck ofta kopplat till Gud)
  11. kallas GUD och är SMORD
  12. kallas HERRE (även Herrarnas Herre på andra ställen, som också Gud kallas)
  13. har I BEGYNNELSEN lagt jordens grund och skapat himlarna MED SINA EGNA HÄNDER (trots att vi kan läsa i GT att Gud ENSAM skapat jorden och himlarna och att INGEN var med honom)
  14. är densamme och hans år tar inte slut

Detta är knappast något man kan säga om någon annan människa på jorden – inte ens Moses! Gud Fader kallar sin son Gud för att han ÄR Gud, och för att han har alla attribut som skaparguden har!

Gud skapade hela världen ensam och med sina egna händer – och Jesus också!jorden

Vi vet att Gud inte delar sin ära med någon (Jesaja 42:8) så varför ger han så mycket ära och makt åt sonen? Notera också denna ordalydelse från Hebr. 1., vilket är en referens till nedan psalm med nästan exakt samma ordalydelse. Även denna psalm talar om GUD som lade jordens grund och skapade allting med sina egna händer. Om denna ordalydelse handlar om GUD i psalmen så borde exakt samma ordalydelse också handla om GUD i Hebr. 1, men ändå kopplar Gud Fader detta med JESUS. Kan vi tro på det Gud säger, eller menar vi att han har fel som gör sonen till GUD?:

Hebr. 1:10 Och: Du, Herre, har i begynnelsen lagt jordens grund, och himlarna är dina händers verk.*) 11 De skall gå under, men du förblir. De skall alla nötas ut som en klädnad.12 Som en mantel skall du rulla ihop dem, och som en klädnad skall de bytas ut. Men du är densamme, och dina år har inget slut.

*) Ps. 102:25 Jag sade: MIN GUD tag inte bort mig mitt i livet, dina år varar från släkte till släkte. 26 För länge sedan lade du jordens grund, himlarna är dina händers verk. 27 De skall gå under, men du förblir. De skall alla nötas ut som en klädnad, du skall förvandla dem som man byter kläder, och de försvinner. 28 Men du är densamme och dina år har inget slut.

Det är också värt att nämna vad  Jesaja säger

Jesaja 44:24 Så säger Herren, din återlösare,  han som format dig alltifrån moderlivet: Jag, Herren, är den som har gjort allt, den som ENSAM har spänt ut himlen och brett ut jorden. Vem var med mig?

Jesaja 42: 5 Så säger Gud, Herren,  han som har skapat himlen och spänt ut den, han som har utbrett jorden med allt som växer där,han som har givit liv åt folket som bor där och ande åt dem som vandrar på den.

Kol. 1:13 Ty han har frälst oss från mörkrets välde och försatt oss i sin älskade Sons rike.14 I honom hava vi förlossningen, förlåtelsen för våra synder,15 i honom som är den osynlige Gudens avbild och förstfödd före allt skapat. 16 Ty i honom skapades allt i himmelen och på jorden, synligt såväl som osynligt, både tronänglar och herrar och furstar och väldigheter i andevärlden. Alltsammans har blivit skapat genom honom och till honom.17 Ja, han är till före allt annat, och alltsammans äger bestånd i honom. 

Om vi kan läsa verser precis som det står så finns det ingen anledning att krångla till det och riskera att hamna i bibelmotsättningar. Om Gud Fader kallar sin son för GUD, kan vi lita på det eller måste vi anstränga oss för att hitta alternativa översättningar som ger ett annat mera önskvärt resultat? Varför kämpa emot Bibelns klara budskap att Jesus är Gud, som alltid funnits tillsammans med Fadern i treenigheten, och som valde att födas i mänskligt kött och dö som ett syndoffer för oss?

2 Johannesbrevet 1:7 Ty många villolärare hava gått ut i världen, vilka icke bekänna att Jesus är Kristus, som skulle komma i köttet; en sådan är Villoläraren och Antikrist.

Why did God create us, despite knowing we would mess up?

A parable about a party invitation for ALL

Some christians feel it’s strange that God would let his son die for people He knows ahead of time will never believe in him, and that’s why they prefer to believe that Jesus only died for SOME people who will DEFINITELY be saved because they are specifically PRE-CHOSEN to be the lucky ELECT. But I don’t find dying for ALL people despite knowing the risks/results involved is a paradox at all. What about those who DO choose to believe in him? They will be heirs to the kingdom, and the thing is that ALL are given this opportunity so no one is left out or is unfairly treated. God is totally fair and merciful to all!

Most young couples are aware of the risk that some of their future children might not turn out as obedient and morally upright human beings,  but they are willing to take this risk since children (and not robots) are a great blessing and a good company. Even if a married couple would be told that two of their ten not yet born children will end up as unbelievers, they will likely decide to have their children anyway. At least THEY (the parents) don’t force their children to become unbelievers. They might bring them up in a wonderful christian home and teach them all things about Christ and the Bible and how to be good moral people. If they still one day reject this teaching and become wicked individuals, then THEY (the children) are to be blamed and not the parents.

(We also have ”Open theism” as a possible factor, where God indeed knows ”all things” but only what is ”knowable”. Read more here. )

I’d like to compare God’s salvation offer to everyone with a party invitation even if it’s not a perfect analogy.

Let’s say I decide to have a party in my house. Of course I’m entitled to set up the rules and conditions myself, and I don’t need to ask anyone for advice or permission how to run things since I’m ”sovereign” over my own house  (sovereign is a word which is not in the KJV Bible but still…). I decide to invite EVERYONE in my entire neighborhood, and to use a RSVP (respondez s’il vous plait) on my invitation cards. I also PROMOTE my party and tell everyone that they would miss out big time if they will not come. My party is totally free of any costs, but I still have conditions. The following conditions/restrictions apply:

  • Had I not decided to have this party, there would not be a party. I personally initiated a ”drawing” or ”calling”.
  • All are invited but ONLY those who REPLY as per the RSVP may actually come
  • And out of those who reply affirmatively as per the RVSP, only those who SHOW UP at my party will be let in!
  • And those who have replied affirmatively and showed up must also be acceptably DRESSED to be let in.

(Maybe I could add that they must also BEHAVE during the entire duration of the party so they won’t disturb and ruin the party for the others, but when we will end up at the big wedding party in heaven all troublemakers will already be sorted out. It’s a good thing that ”sinners” are not welcomed to the big wedding party or else it would not be a pleasant time for the others.)

Even though I have all those conditions, the party is still totally FREE OF CHARGE. The guests could not do anything themselves to be invited to my party. Nothing we believe or do can ever merit salvation. We don’t deserve to be saved, but our Lord has enabled salvation to all of us in our totally lost state.

I could of course have arranged things differently…

I could make personal  invitations to CERTAIN people in my neighborhood and FORCE them to come to my party which I make MANDATORY for those I invite. I could also REFUSE to allow anyone else to come to my party EVEN THOUGH I have PLENTY OF ROOM, food, beverages, entertainment, etc for EVERYONE in the entire neighborhood.

The thing is though that I PREFER to invite ALL and to let THEM make up their mind if they want to come or not.  That means that whosoever wills can come and it would bring me much happiness to know that people have used their own minds when accepting my invitation. I would not feel good about having people around me who have no other choice but to be there whether they like to or not. God has created us in his image, and we are able to reason and make options depending on various circumstances.  God has also created LIMITATIONS to our free will. We simply can’t fly to March and back just because we have this desire and will. 

Is my party a total failure because all who were invited did not come? Can we say I was totally helpless and in the hands of the people I invited? Did someone make the rules instead of me? Did someone thwart my plans? Did I lose control? Did something happen unexpectedly which I didn’t think of? Did I not calculate the risks properly? Did I treat someone unfairly? Am I a wicked person because I did not force people to come? Should we feel sorry for those who did not come despite that they knew the truth about it? Am I illogical in my behavior? Did I at any time resort to Plan B?

Of course not! We would all have a great time at my party, and I would feel good about knowing that I made sure that ALL had a fair chance to come. I wouldn’t even want people at my party unless THEY had a sincere desire to come and to get to know me.Why is it out of the question that our sovereign Lord created us with the ability to accept/reject him and obey/disobey?

Compare also with the analogy of the wedding party in Matthew 22. Note that those who were bidden to come chose to NOT come, and those who did choose to come were called ”chosen”. Notice that no one is forced to do anything. Both good and bad were called but they were all required to wear WEDDING CLOTHES in order to be acceptable to the wedding party. We must repent from our sins and be holy and righteous and dressed in white undefiled garments. 

1. And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,And sent forth his servants TO CALL THEM THAT WERE BIDDEN to the wedding: and they would not come.Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.14 For many are called, but few are chosen. 

Explaining the trinity for muslims

We are told to beware of false prophets

Galatians 1:8-9: But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!

Matt. 7:15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

1 John 4:Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Also after the death of Jesus we can read about prophesies, and we are told that prophesying is a gift of the Holy Spirit which we should all seek to get. Anyone can get this gift. When Luke wrote Acts he used the word ”prophet” for someone who made prophesies:

Acts 11:27 And in these days came prophets from Jerusalem unto Antioch.28 And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by the Spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar.

Acts 21:10 And as we tarried there many days, there came down from Judaea a certain prophet, named Agabus.11 And when he was come unto us, he took Paul’s girdle, and bound his own hands and feet, and said, Thus saith the Holy Ghost, So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man that owneth this girdle, and shall deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles

Acts 15:32 And Judas and Silas, being prophets also themselves, exhorted the brethren with many words, and confirmed them.

It’s rather likely that these prophets lived also when Jesus and John the Baptist were still alive (John the Baptiste, who was another prophet) and if they had the gift of prophesying they apparently didn’t lose this gift when John and Jesus died since they were still called ”prophets” in Acts. Anyone who comes along claiming to be a prophet has to be put to the test. Moreover, it doesn’t make much sense to label a person a ”prophet” today when the generation of John and Jesus died out, since we have the Comforter who dwells inside us, which is the Holy Spirit and our GUIDE. We also have the both the old and the new testament to correct us:

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. (The comforter is the Holy Spirit who dwells in us.)

Hebr. 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds

3 things can be 1  (trinity)

1) Add 3 piles of sand together. What do you have now? 1 pile of sand, right? And yet the size of the material remains the same.

2) Separate 1) egg-shell, 2) egg white and 3) egg yolk and place them in different locations in your kitchen. You can still call all these 3 units for 1. You can also mix the 3 units together and make 1 egg nog and pour it out in 3 different cups. You can still say that it’s 1 egg.

3) The universe consists of 1) matter, 2) space and 3) time. Remove one of these three, and you don’t have a universe.

4) Watch a pot of boiling water. You can see steam coming out of it, and the hood over the stove might get wet and be covered with small drops. If you would place the wet hood in the freezer, the drops would turn to ice. You have different variations of water which you can keep together or separate, but it’s still water – H2O. If you take the hood out of the freezer and let the ice melt, you can collect the water and pour it back into the pot. So out of 1 unit of H2O you can get 1) liquid, 2) steam and 3) ice.

Also in the Quran we can read that Allah is shown as a fire in the bush, calling for Moses. Apparently also the Quran suggests that Allah shows up in different forms just like the Biblical God. If Allah according to the Quran can appear as a fire and still be considered as ONE God, why is it difficult to accept that the Biblical God can appear as a fire, a son or a spirit and still be ONE God?

1. Allah called to Moses from a bush on the right side of the valley and said, ”O Musa, surely I am Allah, the Lord of the worlds. Cast down your staff” (28:30-31). 2. When Moses approached the burning bush he heard a voice say, ”Blessed is whoever is in the fire and whatever is around it and glorified be Allah, the Lord of the worlds. O Moses! Lo! It is I, Allah, the mighty, the wise. Throw down your staff” (27:7-10). 3. The voice said, ”Moses, I, even I, am your oming so believers must not follow their evil desires or they will be destroyed. What do you have in your hand? Moses replied that he had a rod that he uses to rest on, prepare food for the sheep and other purposes. Allah said, toss it Moses” (20:11,19).

What is the trinity?

When discussing with muslims the arguments are usually the same. ”The trinity is not found in the Bible. How can three persons be in one God? Jesus did not really die on the cross. If Jesus died on the cross, then christians must believe that GOD died and God cannot die. God doesn’t have a son. The Bible is corrupt”, etc. Muslims basically trust what they have been told by other muslims and they believe christians are deceived. Many muslims are not that religious, but they would still regard themselves as muslims ”by birth”, and therefore expect also christians to be christians ”by birth”. If they are not able to answer a certain proposed contradiction, they are convinced that one of their more learned religious leaders WILL be able to, and live on this hope.

Many of them have difficulties grasping the trinity. But ask yourself this: Is God able to be in any shape he wants? If God wants to be a flower, a fire, a square or a trinity, can he do this, or does he have to ask us for permission first? Surely we must accept that a sovereign God can be in any shape he likes, and that being a trinity is NOT too difficult for GOD? He might have god reasons for wanting to be a trinity, and the Bible explains what those reasons are.

Muslims often start out with saying that they DO know what the trinity is, but they soon reveal that they in reality do not. The common mistake is of course that they make efforts to show that Jesus is not the Father, but christians don’t believe Jesus is his own Father. The Bible explains that the trinity consists of three separate persons who are in the same godhead.

The trinity consists of 1) The Father, 2) The son Jesus Christ and 3) The Holy Spirit. Three separate persons but in the same trinity. The Bible is VERY clear that God is ONE. The three persons in the trinity always move to the same direction and have the same mind.

Jesus didn’t come into the world the first time when he was born of Mary. Jesus has always existed with the Father. Both the Father and son call themselves the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end. The trinity with the three persons has always existed and always will. However, Jesus IN FLESH came through Mary about 2,000 years ago. Jesus was born as a human being with the mission to die for us, and while he lived on earth he showed that he was the promised Messiah. Isaiah said about 800 years before Jesus was born, that ”Mighty God” would be born by a virgin. Everything is created by, through and for Jesus, and the Bible says that nothing existed before Jesus. When Jesus died on the cross, God the Father did NOT die. It was the Jesus Christ IN FLESH which ”died”, but remember that Death could not keep him! He rose again the third day.

Bible verses – the trinity in the Bible

It’s true that the word ”trinity” is not in the Bible, but neither is the word ”monotheism”. Where does it say the word ”trinity” must be found in the Bible before we can accept it as true? Here are SOME verses which show Jesus deity:

Hebrews 1:8, the Father declares of Jesus, “But about the Son He says, ’Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’

John 20:24-29 Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’ Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.’

Hebrews 2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:— 9But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

John 10:30-33 : I and the Father are one.’ Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, ‘I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?’ ‘We are not stoning you for any of these,’ replied the Jews, ‘but for blasphemy,because you, a mere man, claim to be God.

Colossians 2:9 In Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily

Romans 9:5 Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised

John 8:40, 58 I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born, I am!

John 1:1, 14 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God… The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shallbe upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.    

John 9:35-39 “Jesus heard that they had cast him out, and having found him he said, ‘Do you believe in the Son of man?’ He answered, ‘And who is he, sir, that I may believe in him?’ Jesus said to him, ‘You have seen him, and it is he who speaks to you.’ He said, ‘Lord, I believe’; and he WORSHIPED HIM. ” 

Matthew 16:27-28 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done.

Col. 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the reeminence.19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

God is love

The Biblical God tells us to treat others the way we would like to be treated ourselves, and we are asked to pray for our enemies. If your God tells you to harm or kill others for the only reason that they disagree with you, then run for your life to another direction, because you are worshiping a false God.

Turn the other cheek … love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. (Matthew 5:39, 44)

Put back your sword in its place … for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. (Matthew 26:52)

Mistakes and inconsistencies in the Quran

I’m not going to list all numerous errors and inconsistencies here (just make a search on the net) but here are a couple of examples:

The Samaritans are said to have built the golden calf during the time of Moses, yet at that time there was no place called Samaria or race called Samaritans.

The Quran states that the Blessed Mary, mother of Jesus, was the sister of Aaron, yet the Bible reveals that Miriam was the sister of Aaron and Moses.

The only way out of this dilemma is for Muslims to claim that the Jews and Christians have changed the Bible. But if you ask for examples, they can’t give you any. If you ask WHEN this happened (before or after Muhammed lived) they are not sure of this either. They believe that the Bible has changed, because this is what other muslims have always told them.

Muhammed marrying a 6-year-old girl

The fact that Muhammed married a 6-year-old girl (Aisha) and consummated the marriage when she was 9 is of course troublesome for muslims, but since they are trained to ALWAYS defend Muhammed regardless of what he is guilty of, they will always excuse him. The most common excuse is that girls matured faster during this time, but of course there is NO historical evidence for this and this idea is clearly invented for the only reason to excuse Muhammed. Girls did not mature any faster during Biblical times so why would we believe this changed a few hundred years later, when Muhammed entered the scene? There is NO indication of that girls were mature enough to get married at 6-9 during any time in world’s history. Isn’t this a time when girls should play with dolls? What benefit would a 6-year-old girl get from a marriage? Muhammed is supposed to be perfect in all his ways, and we are to take after him as a role model, so why don’t all muslims take after his practice to marry children? Some muslims DO in fact marry children. Are we to view them as particularly faithful to Muhammed? Had the Quran said that Muhammed married a 4 year old girl, the excuses would be the same,”Girls matured faster in those days”.

According to official Sunni Muslim sources, Muhammad married Aisha when he was around 50 and when she was around 6. Muhammad consummated the marriage to Aisha approximately four years later, or in the second year of his arrival to Medina when the latter was nine years old. In most cases puberty for girls starts at the age of 12, and it is rare for girls to attain puberty prior to that period. There is even data to support the position that specific cultures placed the age of marriage at a little over 12 years of age for this reason. Even if a girl has attained puberty faster does not mean that she is physically ready to consummate a marriage. Moreover, morality does not change over time. Neither should muslims excuse Mohammed by suggesting that ”this was the tradition during that time”.  Not only was it NOT a common tradition during this time, but shouldn’t a perfect prophet always be up to date and act correctly no matter which era in lived in? He is supposed to be our example, and now Muhammed is promoting child marriage. When a lawmaker says that killing someone in self-defense is acceptable, the lawmaker must not go out and kill someone in self-defense if his law is to stand. Hence, the argument that Muhammad needed to marry a young girl to establish puberty as the appropriate age for marriage completely fails.

Narrated Ursa:
The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for ‘Aisha’s hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said ”But I am your brother.” The Prophet said, ”You are my brother in Allah’s religion and His Book, but she (‘Aisha) is lawful for me to marry.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 18)

Narrated Hisham’s father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married ‘Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236)

Muhammad died when Aisha was eighteen years old, leaving her a childless widow for the rest of her life. Being childless is regarded as a curse in most cultures. Muhammad also passed on a command forbidding anyone from marrying any of his widows:

Surah 33:53 O ye who believe! Enter not the Prophet’s houses, – until leave is given you, – for a meal, (and then) not (so early as) to wait for its preparation: but when ye are invited, enter; and when ye have taken your meal, disperse, without seeking familiar talk. Such (behaviour) annoys the Prophet: he is ashamed to dismiss you, but God is not ashamed (to tell you) the truth. And when ye ask (his ladies) for anything ye want, ask them from before a screen: that makes for greater purity for your hearts and for theirs.Nor is it right for you that ye should annoy God’s Apostle, or that ye should marry his widows after him at any time. Truly such a thing is in God’s sight an enormity

Other young girls and the ”waiting period”

When Muhammad came to Medina in the year 623 AD, a girl named Safiyyah was young: perhaps in her mid to late teens, when Muhammad married her. Muhammad died in 632 AD, or roughly two years after marrying Safiyyah. One Muslim website says that she was seventeen when Muhammad married her, meaning that she was roughly twenty when he died. Muhammed  not only took Safiyyah as his wife after killing her family and husband, but he also left her a young widow for the rest of her life!

The waiting period for divorced women who haven’t yet menstruated is three months. With other words these ”women” are in fact young girls who haven’t reached puberty! Thus, Islam permits men to marry prepubescent girls and even divorce them if they so choose! A woman can only be divorced if she is married and had her marriage consummated since the Quran expressly teaches that there is no waiting period for marriages that have not been consummated:

 Surah 65:4 And (as for) those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, if you have a doubt, their prescribed time shall be three months, and of those too who have not had their courses; and (as for) the pregnant women, their prescribed time is that they lay down their burden; and whoever is careful of (his duty to) Allah He will make easy for him his affair.

Surah 33:49 O you who believe: When you marry believing women and then divorce them before you have touched them, no period of idda (waiting) have you to count in respect of them: so give them a present and set them free in a graceful manner. 

And for those who have no courses (i.e. they are still immature). And the ‘Iddat for the girl BEFORE PUBERTY is three months (in the above Verse). (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 63)

While we were sitting in the company of the Prophet a woman came to him and presented herself (for marriage) to him. The Prophet looked at her, lowering his eyes and raising them, but did not give a reply. One of his companions said, ”Marry her to me O Allah’s Apostle!” The Prophet asked (him), ”Have you got anything?” He said, ”I have got nothing.” The Prophet said, ”Not even an iron ring?” He said, ”Not even an iron ring, but I will tear my garment into two halves and give her one half and keep the other half.” The Prophet; said, ”No. Do you know some of the Quran (by heart)?” He said, ”Yes.” The Prophet said, ”Go, I have agreed to marry her to you with what you know of the Qur’an  (as her Mahr).”

Upon a divorce, it’s the MAN who decides who the children will belong to. A man is also promised 70 virgins in God’s kingdom. Women are not promised the equivalent, and in islam men and women are not treated equally either on earth or in the next life.

Surah 4:34 Husbands should take full care of their wives, with [the bounties] God has given to some more than others and with what they spend out of their own money. Righteous wives are devout and guard what God would have them guard in the husbands’ absence. If you fear high-handedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great. 

Surah 2:223 Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like . . . .

Surah 2:282 The Prophet said, ”Isn’t the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?” The women said, ”Yes.” He said, ”This is because of the deficiency of a woman’s mind.” 

Surah 4:24 And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your hands (as prisoners of war) . . .

Surah 4:3 And if you be apprehensive that you will not be able to do justice to the orphans, you may marry two or three or four women whom you choose. But if you apprehend that you might not be able to do justice to them, then marry only one wife, or marry those who have fallen in your possession. 

Surahs promoting violence

Dr. Muhsin Khan the translator of Sahih Bukhari and the Qur’an into English
writes: ”Allah revealed in Sura Bara’at (Repentance, IX) [the order to discard
(all) obligations (covenants, etc), and commanded the Muslims to fight against
all the Pagans as well as against the people of the Scriptures (Jews and
Christians) if they do not embrace Islam, till they pay the Jizia (a tax levied on
the Jews and Christians) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued
(as it is revealed in 9:29). So the Muslims were not permitted to abandon ”the
fighting” against them (Pagans, Jews and Christians) and to reconcile with them
and to suspend hostilities against them for an unlimited period while they are
STRONG and have the ability to fight against them. So at first ”the fighting” was
forbidden, then it was permitted, and after that it was made obligatory ”

How do you distinguish an evil man and a holy man if not by their actions? Jesus warned people of  false prophets and he said you will recognize them by their fruits. Muhammed’s evil actions speak for themselves. Unfortunately, muslims overlook his deeds because they are convinced he was a prophet of God. Are raiding innocent people, massacring unarmed civilians, stealing their belongings, taking their women and children as slaves and raping them a good thing? Muhammed did all those things. He even signed peace treaties, only to break them when he willed.  The sura 9 is called bara’a, precisely because in this sura Allah orders Muhammad to break all his treaties. The non-Muslims had no intentions of waging war against him but he took them by surprise and raided them when they were least expecting. These were shamelessly coward attacks on civilians. Muhammad raped women captured in his raids and allowed his followers to do the same. (Q. 4:24) There was a massacre of the Jewish tribe of Bani Quraiza that has been described in detail in dozens of traditions and books of history written by Muslims themselves. The Quran encourages Muslims to slay the unbelievers wherever they find them (2:191), to not take them as friends and helpers (3:28), fight them and show them harshness (9:123), and smite their heads ( 47:4).

People who call themselves ”christians” and who harm and kill others do so AGAINST the Bible, whereas muslims who do the same do so ACCORDING to the Quran.  All the wars and hostilities that Muhammed was engaged in were initiated by himself and his followers just as the Muslims today are the initiators of virtually all hostilities with others. According to the doctrine of abrogation, the later texts supersede the earlier whenever there are inconsistencies. The later suras always abrogate ALL the earlier suras!

Surah 9:29  Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued 

Surah 48:29 Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are harsh against unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other?

Surah 5:51 Don’t take Jews and Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them

Surah 2:191 And slay them (the infidels) wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out, for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter

Surah 2:193 And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and Faith in Allah; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression. 

Surah 2:216 Fighting is prescribed for you, and you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and that you love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not 

Surah 4:74 Let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah, whether he is slain or gets victory soon shall we give him a reward of great (value) 

Sura 4:89 Seize them and slay them wherever you find them: and in any case take no friends or helpers from their ranks.

Surah 4:95 Allah has granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit at home

Surah 9:5 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular Prayers and practise regular Charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful

Surah 9:123 Oh you who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and let them find harshness in you. 

Surah 9:14 Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame.

Surah 9:66 Make no excuses: you have rejected Faith after you had accepted it. If We pardon some of you, We will punish others amongst you, for that they are in sin. 

From Hadeeth:
Ibn Ishaq and al-Waqidi report that the prophet said the morning after the murder (of Kab Ibn al’Ashraf), “Kill any Jew you can lay your hands on. (El beddayah wa alnihaya – Ibn Katheer – vol. 4 – in the chapter on killing Ka’ab bin al’Ashraf)

Gen. 16:11And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. 12And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

Gen. 17: 19And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.

Gen. 21: 10Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac11And the thing was very grievous in Abraham’s sight because of his son.12And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called. 13And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed.

Gen. 22:2And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaacwhom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.  3And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and saddled his ass, and took two of his young men with him, and Isaac his son, and clave the wood for the burnt offering, and rose up, and went unto the place of which God had told him.— 12And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.16And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son17That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; 18And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Jesus is recorded to have performed many miracles in the Bible as well as the Quran, but not so with Muhammed

Muhammed feels that he doesn’t need to prove that he is a prophet in any other way than saying that the Quran was being revealed to him from Allah. Unfortunately, many others make similar claims and we certainly couldn’t believe that all who say they are prophets are true prophets. Jesus warned about false prophets deceiving millions.

Surah 29:48-51 Not before this didst thou recite any Book, or inscribe it with thy right hand, for then those who follow falsehood would have doubted. Nay; rather it is signs, clear signs (ayatun bayyinatun) IN THE BREASTS of those who have been given knowledge; and none denies Our signs but the evildoers. They say, ‘Why have signs (ayatun) not been sent down upon him from his Lord?’ Say: ‘The signs (al-ayatu) are only with God, and I am only a plain warner.’ What, is it not SUFFICIENT for them that We have sent down upon thee the Book that is recited to them? Surely in that is a mercy, and a reminder to a people who believe. 

Apart from the above claim, splitting the moon is the only other option which could serve as a ”miracle”. Can you imagine how this earth would look like if it had two moon halves? Splitting the moon is hardly scientific, and it’s hard to see the purpose. People around Muhammed had the right to see some tangible signs/miracles, because we certainly can’t believe every chap who claims to be a prophet. If sura 54:1-2 speaks about an ordinary lunar eclipse, then Muhammed wouldn’t be the source of that.

Sura 54:1-2 The Hour has drawn nigh: the moon is split. Yet if they see a sign they turn away, and they say ‘A continuous sorcery!’ 

Jesus birth was a miracle in itself. Muhammed’s birth was not a miracle. According to the Bible Jesus birth by a virgin was supposed to be a sign for the Messiah (Isaiah 7:14). What would be the reason for a virgin birth according to the Quran?

Surah 19:20-21 She said: ”How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?” He said: ”So (it will be): Thy Lord saith, ‘that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us’: It is a matter (so) decreed.”

Surah 21:91 And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our spirit, and We made her and her son a sign for all peoples

According to the Quran, Jesus spoke from the cradle. Muhammad likely copied the miracle of infant Jesus’ speech from an apocryphal writing named “The Arabic Gospel of the Savior” and combined it with the data he had plagiarized from the Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew:

Surah 43:63 When Jesus came with Clear Signs, he said: ”Now have I come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which ye dispute: therefore fear God and obey me. 

Surah 5:110 O Jesus, son of Mary! Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in maturity; and how I taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird by My permission, and thou didst heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how thou didst raise the dead, by My permission;…

Two miracles are omitted from this list but found in other places in the Quran: causing a table spread with food to be miraculously lowered from heaven for his disciples (5:112-115), and being able to tell people what they had hidden in their houses (3:49).

The Quran is supposed to confirm the Bible, so the Bible couldn’t have changed before Muhammed’s time

Surah 3:50-52  And (I come) confirming that which was before me of the Torah, and to make lawful some of that which was forbidden unto you. I come unto you with a sign from your Lord, so keep your duty to Allah and obey me. Lo! Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path. But when Jesus became conscious of their disbelief, he cried: Who will be my helpers in the cause of Allah? The disciples said: We will be Allah’s helpers. We believe in Allah, and bear thou witness that we have surrendered (unto Him).

Surah 61:6 And when Jesus son of Mary said: O Children of Israel! Lo! I am the messenger of Allah unto you, confirming that which was (revealed) before me in the Torah, and bringing good tidings of a messenger who cometh after me, whose name is the Praised One. Yet when he hath come unto them with clear proofs, they say: This is mere magic. 

Surah 5:46 And We caused Jesus, son of Mary, to follow in their footsteps, confirming that which was (revealed) before him in the Torah, and We bestowed on him the Gospel wherein is guidance and a light, confirming that which was (revealed) before it in the Torah – a guidance and an admonition unto those who ward off (evil).  

Is the Torah true only when it agrees with the Quran, and how can we be certain that this is the correct way to look at it? Maybe it’s not a good idea to trust a weak god (Allah) who is not able to protect the other messages he sent. He already failed three times to protect his messages before the Quran. Proving that the Bible is corrupt does not automatically mean that the Quran is preserved; on the contrary it proves that Allah is not mighty enough to preserve all of his revelations. Why is Allah NOW able to protect the Quran and preserve it? An attack on the Bible is nothing more than an attack on Muhammed, indirectly accusing Muhammad of being a liar or mistaken. The very same passage that speaks of Muhammad receiving revelation like some of the messengers before him, also says that there are many other messengers that are not even mentioned in the Quran!

Surah 4:163-164 We have revealed to thee as We revealed to Noah, and the Prophets after him, and We revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, Jesus and Job, Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and We gave to David Psalms, and Messengers We have already told thee of before, and Messengers We have not told thee of; and unto Moses God spoke directly —

Surah 40:78 We sent Messengers before thee; of some We have related to thee, and some We have not related to thee. It was not for any Messenger to bring a sign, save by God’s leave. When God’s command comes, justly the issue shall be decided; then the vain-doers shall be lost. 

The Quran itself commands Muslims to consult the Holy Bible for evidence and verification ( surahs 10:94; 16:43; 17:101; 21:7.)

Surah 5:47-51 It was We who revealed the Law to Moses, therein was guidance and light … and in their footsteps, We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel, therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him, a guidance and admonition to those who fear Allah. To thee (Mohammed) We sent the Scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety.

Surah 45:16-17 We have given the Children of Israel the scripture, wisdom, and prophethood, and provided them with good provisions; we bestowed upon them more blessings than any other people. We have given them herein clear commandments. Ironically, they did not dispute this until the knowledge had come to them. This is due to jealousy on their part. Surely, your Lord will judge them on the Day of Resurrection regarding everything they have disputed. 

Surah 7:157 those who follow the Messenger, ‘the Prophet of the common folk, whom they find written down WITH THEM in the Torah and the Gospel, … 

Surah 48:29 Muhammad is the Messenger of God, and those who are with him are hard against the unbelievers, merciful one to another. Thou seest them bowing, prostrating, seeking bounty from God and good pleasure. Their mark is on their faces, the trace of prostration. That is their likeness in the Torah, and their likeness in the Gospel: as a seed that puts forth its shoot, and strengthens it, and it grows stout and rises straight upon its stalk, pleasing the sowers, that through them He may enrage the unbelievers. God has promised those of them who believe and do deeds of righteousness forgiveness and a mighty wage. 

These verses take for granted that a true, uncorrupt Gospel was available for examination at the time of Muhammed. Some Muslim commentators even suggest that the source for the above parable is actually Mark 4:27-28! How would Christians of the seventh century have understood the Quran’s clear statements that they were to uphold the Gospel which was with them? Would they have assumed that this Gospel was something other than the four canonical Gospels which they had?

Surah 26:196 And it is surely mentioned in the Psalms of the FORMER PEOPLES. 

Addressing the Christians of Muhammad’s time the Quran’s author exhorts them to uphold the Gospel which Jesus received.

Surah 4:54 Or are they jealous of the people for the bounty that God has given them? Yet We gave the people of Abraham the Book and the Wisdom, and We gave them a mighty kingdom. 

The historical evidence shows that the Torah which was in the possession of both the Jews and Christians is actually the first five Books of the Hebrew Bible, and the Gospel of the Christians is the records of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.  The Quran also refers to the Psalms which were given through David and the other messengers.

Surah 6:73, 84-90 So We were showing Abraham the kingdom of the heavens and earth, that he might be of those having sure faith… And We gave to him Isaac andJacob — each one We guided, And Noah We guided before; and of his seed David and Solomon, Job and Joseph, Moses and Aaron — even so We recompense the good-doers — Zachariah and John, Jesus and Elias; each was of the righteous; Ishmael and Elisha, Jonah and Lot-each one We preferred above all beings; and of their fathers, and of their seed, and of their brethren; and We elected them, and We guided them to a straight path. That is God’s guidance; He guides by it whom He will of His servants; had they been idolaters, it would have failed them, the things they did. THOSE ARE THEY TO WHOM WE GAVE THE BOOK, the Judgment, THE PROPHETHOOD; so if these disbelieve in it, We have already entrusted it to a people who do not disbelieve in it. Those are they whom God has guided; so follow their guidance. Say: ‘I ask of you no wage for it; it is but a reminder unto all beings.’ 

Surah 19:30, 34, 41, 49-58 He said, ‘Lo, I am God’s servant; God has given me the Book, and made me a Prophet… That is Jesus, son of Mary, in word of truth, concerning which they are doubting… And mention in the Book Abraham; surely he was a true man, a Prophet… So, when he went apart from them and that they were serving, apart from God, We gave him Isaac and Jacob, and each We made a Prophet; and We gave them of Our mercy, and We appointed unto them a tongue of truthfulness, sublime. And mention in the Book Moses; he was devoted, and he was a Messenger, a Prophet. We called to him from the right side Of the Mount, and We brought him near in communion. And We gave him his brother Aaron, of Our mercy, a Prophet. And mention in the Book Ishmael; he was true to his promise, and he was a Messenger, a Prophet. He bade his people to pray and to give the alms, and he was pleasing to his Lord. And mention in the Book Idris; he was a true man, a Prophet. We raised him up to a high place. These are they whom God has blessed among the Prophets of the seed of Adam, and of those We bore with Noah, and of the seed of Abraham and Israel, and of those We guided and chose. When the signs of the All-merciful were recited to them, they fell down prostrate, weeping. 

Surah 5:71-72. ‘O, People of the Book! Ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord.’ It is the revelation that cometh to thee from thy Lord, that increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy … those who believe (in the Qur’an), those who follow the Jewish (Scriptures), and the Sabaeans and the Christians – any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, – on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.  

Surah 5:69 If only they had stood fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that was sent to them from their Lord, they would have enjoyed happiness.

Surah 29:45 Dispute not with the People of the Book, save in the fairer manner, except for those of them that do wrong; and say: ‘We believe in what has been sent down to us, and what has been sent down to you; Our God and your God is One and to Him we have surrendered. 

Surah 10:37 This Qur’an could not have been forged apart from God; but it is a confirmation of what is before it …

Surah 46:11 Before it was the Book of Moses for a model and a mercy; and this is a book confirming in Arabic tongue to warn the evil-doers and good tidings to the good-doers.

Surah 6:91 Who sent down the Book that Moses brought as a light and guidance to men? You put it onto parchments, revealing some, and hiding much; and by which you were taught that you knew not, you and your fathers. Say, ‘God”.

Surah 35:31 And what We have revealed to thee of the Book, is the truth, confirming what is before it.

Sura 2:40-42 Children of Israel … believe in that I have sent down, confirming the revelation that is with you and be not the first to disbelieve in it … and do not confound the truth with vanity and do not conceal the truth wittingly (i.e. concealing the truth against better knowledge)

The above texts presuppose that the Torah was available in an unadulterated form during the time of Mohammed.

Surah 2:87 We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of Apostles. We gave Jesus, son of Mary, clear signs and strengthened (or confirmed) him with the Holy Spirit. 

Surah 2:89 And when there comes to them (the Jews) a Book from Allah, confirming what is with them (the Taurat) … they refused to believe in it.

Surah 3:3 He has sent down upon thee the Book with the truth, confirming what was before it and He sent down Torah and the Gospel afore time, as guidance to the People and He sent down salvation.

At least as early as 350 AD, and long before the time of Mohammed, there was a uniform canon of the Bible and nothing has been changed, adulterated, polluted or perverted since.

Sura 21:7 Before thee (i.e. Mohammed), also, the Apostles we sent were but men … If you realise this not, ASK of THOSE WHO POSSESS THE MESSAGE. 

Sura 4:136 BELIEVE IN Allah and His Messenger and the Scripture which He hath revealed unto his Messenger, and THE SCRIPTURE WHICH HE REVEALED AFORETIME. WHOSO DISBELIEVETH IN Allah and His Angles and the Last Day, he verily hath wandered far astray.

Sura 2:285 Each one believeth in Allah and His Angels and His Scriptures and His Messengers – WE MAKE NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN ANY OF HIS MESSENGERS.

Sura 3:93 Say: Bring you the Torah now and recite (or read) it, if you are men of truth

We see clearly that the accusations against Jews and Christians are not that they have corrupted Scripture, but that they have misinterpreted, concealed or disobeyed it.

Sura 6:34 There is none that can change the Words of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those Apostles (or: the other Apostles also say so).

Muhammed spoken about in the Bible?

Deuteronomy 18:15 The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him.

Muhammed was not a ”brother” to the jews. Besides, also other cults (like the mormons) claim that their particular prophet is spoken about in this verse.

ISLAM is much like the story of Emperor’s new clothes. The con artists claimed that if someone wouldn’t detect the beauty of the Emperor’s new clothes they were simply stupid, and who wants to be labeled stupid? So despite the fact that people couldn’t even see any clothes, they overlooked this problem and convinced themselves that the clothes were beautiful and even gave remarks as a confirmation of this. The crowd encouraged each other to believe in a lie, and did so until an honest little boy declared the TRUTH which was apparent to all from the start. Muslims need much prayer and there is much joy in heaven each time a muslim repents from his past and become a Bible believing christian.