Persecution against Christians is getting worse also in the West
See Youtube film below.
Atheists and agnostics tend to not believe the Bible, and particularly not when it says that Christians are supposed to be eager (1 Cor. 12:31) to get the gifts of the Holy Spirit, such as speaking in tongues, cast out evil spirits and heal the sick. In fact, not even all Christians believe that the gifts are for today (cessationists), and consequently many of them conclude that evangelists such as Torben Søndergaard must therefore be a false teacher, and that all those who claim to have been healed must therefore be liars.
Mark. 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
1 Cor. 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
Ja. 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
Torben has been attacked big time by Danish TV and mainstream media in his country, and typically mainstream media in Sweden and elsewhere joins the choir and calls Torben a cult leader. Maybe Danish TV was even ordered from its superiors to target Torben in order get a suitable foundation for a new Danish law, which among other things says that children are not allowed to witness people getting healed (or getting healed themselves). The law goes even further than that, and since Torben has also been harassed in his home (getting visits by various authorities), he has now fled to the US, hoping to get asylum for himself and his family. He is afraid the Danish authorities might be coming for his children, even though this is not the 1880’s but the year 2019!
When it comes to the Danish film team, they have cut and pasted film pieces together and painted Torben and his organisation in a very bad light. There is likely a law against slander in Denmark, but Torben would likely fail miserably if he attempted to make use of it, because no one would be interested to pursue such a case.
Matt. 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
Mark. 10:29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel’s,30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
2 Cor. 4:9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed
With the help of this new law, the authorities in Denmark could very well take the step to take the children away from their own parents. They themselves (journalists, politicians, etc) might believe they are on the good side, but they are doing something very evil to Torben and his family. In a wider perspective, they are also threatening all Christians to cease healing people (God is naturally the Healer and where the gift of healing derives from), or else they might find themselves be prosecuted and even lose their own children.
Those who are persecuting Torben sound a lot like the pharisees who objected to Jesus and his ability to heal people, charging him for doing it with the help of the devil.
Matt. 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man’s house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
The other day, Swedish Television (SVT) criticized the Jehovah’s Witnesses due to their films regarding Armageddon and the earth’s near cataclysm, which could potentially scare and harm children. This is rather hypocritical since Swedish Television (sadly among others) constantly present scaremongering programs about the earth’s eminent extinction due to “man made climate change” (previously “global warming”) which naturally could scare both children and adults and cause depression. According to mainstream media, in form of Svenska Dagbladet, 80% of all young people in Sweden suffer from anxiety due to the climate change. Why is that a “good” form of anxiety, and why is Torben targeted when there has been no complaint concerning children in his movement, apart from mainstream media and his opponents?
Man made climate change is a hoax just like the Big Bang theory, Evolution, the moon landing, etc, but it is the global elite who runs Youtube, Facebook, Google, Twitter, etc, and this means that they decide what is true or false for our sake so that we do not have to worry about it … We just have to sit back and trust the official stories presented to us – through mainstream media. Sadly many people (even Christians) cannot imagine that the authorities might stoop to such a great level of deception, and maybe such lies can therefore reach the masses with ease.
The elite often uses their concern for children as a reason for changing laws and/or applying censorship, but in reality they only use children as a weapon. (Involving children in false flag attacks/psy ops is also common, to prevent people from criticizing the events or asking questions.) Censorship and persecution might sound so loving and caring even though it is nothing more than silencing people with opposing views (this from Youtube):
“We’ll begin reducing recommendations of borderline content and content that could misinform users in harmful ways—such as videos promoting a phony miracle cure for a serious illness, claiming the earth is flat, or making blatantly false claims about historic events like 9/11″/Youtube, January, 2019
Those who do not believe that the spiritual gifts are for today might not be too concerned that Torben and other evangelists are risking to be for ever censored and silenced. However, today it might be “9/11 Truthers, Flat Earthers and Miracle Cures” but tomorrow it might expand to include films/articles about ALL forms of criticism against ANY official story about a terror attack or large accident.
I believe we have just seen the beginning when it comes to censorship and persecution, and maybe the reason why the elite has not yet started a large campaign against evangelists/pastors for their skepticism about LGBT issues, might be because also Muslims are skeptical about it – and the elite seldom wants to interfere with Muslim interests. Christianity is an easier target.
Naturally there was a severe persecution also during the time of the apostles, and Saul (later Paul) was one of the participants before his conversion:
Acts 8:1 And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.2 And devout men carried Stephen to his burial, and made great lamentation over him.3 As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.4 Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.
Gal. 1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews’ religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
Acts 11:19 Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.
Acts 13:50 But the Jews stirred up the devout and honourable women, and the chief men of the city, and raised persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them out of their coasts.
Acts 26:11 And I punished them oft in every synagogue, and compelled them to blaspheme; and being exceedingly mad against them, I persecuted them even unto strange cities.
2 Tim. 3:10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
Rom. 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Acts 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
Persecution can even make us spiritually stronger. We will certainly rise up from our comfort zone, :
2 Cor. 12:10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ’s sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
2 Tess. 1:3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth;4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1 Cor. 4:12 And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:
Gal. 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
1 Tess. 2:14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
See Torben’s testimony in the below Youtube film, and pray that his films will be able to remain on Youtube. His popular Last Reformation Movie was blocked by Facebook recently.
Det har han visst, han anser dessutom att folk med autism är besatta av
demoner, snälle nån. jag undrar ibland om den typen av människor
permanent låser in sina kritiska fakulteter i ett kassaskåp och sen slänger bort nyckeln?
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Jag tror att du blandar ihop det faktum att Torben döper i vatten med tanken att det är det blöta vattnet som skulle få människor botade. Det har han aldrig påstått.
Sen gäller det också att förstå ämnet gällande demoner. Torben lär t. ex inte att det måste vara människors fel att de har sjukdomar/demoner, eftersom enligt Bibeln även barn kan ha demoner. Men Bibeln talar om att det verkligen finns sjukdomsdemoner. De som blivit befriade från sådana är hur lyckliga som helst, även om kritiker blir arga.
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The amount of persecution of Christians has been rising for a number of years now, but the Holy Spirit is restraining it’s full expression until the Rapture, then it will go off the charts.
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Hey Matt!
Yes, I truly believe that this is only the beginning. Those in power often censor stuff due to concern of poor little children, but only when it suits them. If parents would force their kids to grow up as transgender and to participate in Pride parades, those in power wouldn’t mind at all. Or if parents scared their children half to death by promoting the near destruction of the earth due to climate change. But a parent who is a Bible believer and pursues the gift of healing is apparently too much to handle.
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han försöker också “bota” homosexualitet genom att sänka ner dem
i en soptunna fylld med “heligt” vatten vilket är märkligt eftersom
homosexualitet inte är en sjukdom.
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Man kan inte bota någon genom att sänka ner denne i vatten. Det har han heller aldrig påstått. Däremot kan man bota homosexualitet och andra onaturliga förvrängningar av Guds skapelse.
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Och ändå gör han det, jag tycker du skall gå in på hans hemsida, återigen
homosexualitet är ingen sjukdom!
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Nej, Torben har aldrig påstått att ett dopp i vatten kan hela. Däremot är homosexualitet helt emot Guds skapelse och något som kan botas.
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återigen hänvisning till en bok som har fel om det mesta. Demoner give me a break! Men det är klart du tror att Jorden är platt så varför inte några
fler villfarelser.
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Oh yes you suffer so, You feel persecuted because the rest of us does not allow your ilk to dictate what to do for the rest of us and we
will not allow your antedeluvian laws to govern us.
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The Bible doesn’t encourage Christians to force others to join the Christian assembly. It’s all done by free will.
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Berätta det för inkvisitionen och så klart puritanerna.
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Det är inga begrepp som Bibeln använder, eller kan klandras för.
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Så klart du gör eftersom du inte förstår vad begreppet teori innebär inom
vetenskapen. Genesis, nu? Det är ett skämt.
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Evolutionsteorin är så bevisad som det går att göra. De flesta kristna teologer försöker inte ens att förneka den längre. Fick reda på häromdagen att det finns grottmålningar som är gjorda för 40 000 år sedan
i Frankrike, hur gammal var det nu Jorden är? Kan hålla med om att det har gått lite kult i vad Tunberg gör, uppenbarligen har hon magiska krafter, hmm undrar vad det påminner mig om? Du kanske skulle fundera på att läsa mer än en bok.
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Du är indoktrinerad att tro på evolutionsteorin, och du har inte bevisat den. Jag fick lära mig om grottmålningarna i Frankrike i grundskolan. Det finns inga bevis att de är så gamla.
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Du kanske skulle undersöka vad teori betyder inom vetenskapen. Så
jag har att välja mellan en vetenskaplig teori eller en dålig bok som har
fel om det mesta, svårt val där. Enligt pigmentanalys, stalaktitanalys och studier av avbildade djur så är de så gamla. Måste vara
skönt att kunna avfärda allt som inte stämmer med din bok.
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Jag använder mig av den generella definitionen av “teori” och konstaterar att evolutionsteorin inte är bevisad. Nej, bilderna i Frankrike är inte så gammal, och för att komma till de gamla åldrarna så krävs en hel del antaganden. Om de är fel blir slutresultatet fel. Läs gärna på genesis.nu.
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De har inte tagit hans barn, han är bara rädd för att de skall göra det.
Uppenbarligen är det så att myndigheterna är emot indoktrinering av barn
vilket du uppenbarligen inte är. Vidare så helbrägdagörelse fungerar inte.
Det är vad tvevangelisterna i USA gör, personer som Peter Popoff
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Menar du att det finns en lag i Danmark som uttrycker “förbud att indoktrinera barn”? ALLA föräldrar indokrinerar väl sina barn om det handlar om att påverka sina barn? Svara gärna också på frågan jag ställer i artikeln, om det är ok att indoktrinera barn med historien att jorden kan gå under inom kort pga klimatförändringar? 80% av ungdomar har tydligen depression och ångest pga detta men detta är helt ok? Eller är det kanske bara en VISS indoktrinering/påverkan som är fel och som måste stoppas? Nämligen den påverkan som eliten har bestämt är fel?
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Jag blev inte indoktrinerad av mina föräldrar varken politiskt eller
religiöst. Jag kom själv på att är en ateist vid 8 års ålder efter att ha
genomlidit några religionslektioner i skolan. Sen gällande Jordens eventuella undergång så vet jag helt enkelt inte. Men att pumpa ut
miljoner ton koldioxid i atmosfären varje år är nog ingen bra sak.
Enda skälet att du inte tror på Jordens undergång är att du förväntar
dig att din gud skall göra det. Du tror garanterat på uppryckandet också. läs om Söndergaard på rational wiki.
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Jo, Krister. Även du har blivit “indoktrinerad” – alltså blivit påverkad av människor i din närmiljö. I skolan blev du fortsatt påverkad när läroböckerna lärde ut Big Bang och evolutionsteorin som fakta. Om vi ska lagstifta mot föräldrar som Indoktrinerar/påverkar sina barn, så ligger därmed ALLA illa till. Inte bara Torben. När jag bildar min uppfattning om Torben så föredrar jag att läsa det han själv skriver och säger för att göra en rätt bedömning.
När det gäller atmosfären och klimatet så finns det inget bevis för att människor påverkat klimatet, och det finns inget stöd för att temperaturerna höjts nämnvärt. Alltså är det hyckleri att angripa Torben för att indoktrinera, när politiker och massmedia driver upp domedagspredikningar varje dag om att jorden snart går under. SKRÄCK och ångest är tydligen det barnen ska känna.
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Jag kan hålla med om att kristna blir förföljda, men inte i västerlandet och det är inte ateister som gör det utan muhammedaner. Vidare så anser många kristna i USA att religionsfrihet är deras rätt att förfölja andra.
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Inte i västerlandet? Jag visade just ett exempel genom Torben, att kristna även blir förföljda i västerlandet. Jag har bott i USA och känner många kristna där. Känner dock inte någon som menar sig ha en rätt att förfölja andra. Framför allt är det emot Bibeln.
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Jag orkar inte titta på ett klipp som varar en timme, så ge mig
höjdpunkterna, vem är det som förföljer honom och varför?
Jag vet att han är en charlatan som sysslar med helbrägdagörelse kan
det vara så att en åklagare vill åtala honom för bedrägeri?
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Du behöver inte se hela youtubeklippet eftersom jag förklarade kort i text vad det handlade om.
Du får gärna bevisa ditt påstående att han är charlatan. För mig är “charlatan” någon som snikar till sig pengar, men Torben tar inte betalt när han ber och helar människor, och dessutom tvingar han förstås ingen att bli bedd för. Han lovar inte heller att de (frivilliga) som han ber för kommer att bli helade. Är det rimligt att Torben måste fly Danmark för att han riskerar att få sina barn tagna ifrån honom? Under 1800 talet flydde människor Skandinavien bl. a pga religiösa restriktioner. Nu sker det alltså igen.
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