Arkiv | augusti 2018

CIRCLE of the earth – not a ball, globe or sphere – Is. 40:22

flat earth”CIRCLE of the earth” – Isaiah 40:22

If you want to prove that the earth is a globe based on the Bible, you must use another verse than Isaiah 40:22 since this verse does not say it. There are at least three main problems with this verse if you want to use it to prove a globe – the circle, the grasshoppers and the tent …

Is. 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the CIRCLE of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a TENT to dwell in

Frisbees and dinner plates are shaped like circles, and circles are indeed round. A circle is not the same as a globe, a ball or a sphere, even if a ball can look like a circle if viewed in only one dimension.

”Circle” in the above verse is a translation from the Hebrew noun chug (Strong’s 2329) which means circle, vault or horizon. (Note that it is not translated as ball or sphere.) Apart from the above verse, it is found twice more in the Bible. In Job 22:14 we can read about God walking on the circle/vault of heaven (walking on the firmament of heaven), and in Proverbs 8:27 we can read that this circle was inscribed into the face of the deep. KJV phrases it as ”when he set a compass upon the face of the depth”. A ball does not have a side that could be considered ”a face”, but a flat earth does. NKJV phrases it as ”When He drew a circle on the face of the deep”. It is hard (or rather impossible) to draw a sphere or a globe into something, but it is definitely possible to draw/inscribe a circle into something.

Job 22:14 Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit of heaven. (KJV)

Proverbs. 8:27 When He prepared the heavens, I was there, When He drew a circle on the face of the deep, (NKJV)

Note above that it would not make sense to draw ”a globe” on the face of the deep. Compare also:

Job 26:10 He has inscribed a circle (Strong’s 2328) on the surface of the waters At the boundary of light and darkness. (NASB)

flat earth.jpeg

A circle of ice compassing the waters, under a firmament?

The above noun (chug) is connected to the Hebrew verb with the same name spelling chug (Strong’s 2328), which means to draw around, to make a circle. It is only found in Job 26:10 where we can read that God has inscribed a circle on the surface, or (as in KJV) ”compassed the waters”.

Isaiah 40:22 further suggests that when God sits on this circle (the firmament) the inhabitants look like grasshoppers. This requires a certain elevation, which works well with a physical firmament placed high over a round earth. An elevation is also implied in Job 22:12 where we can read: “Surely God is at the zenith of the heavens [shamayim] and looks down on all the stars, high as they are.” Note that it says that God ”looks down” on the stars when he sits, or walks around, on the firmament. 

tent.jpgThe morning star (Lucifer) wanted to exalt his throne above the stars of God, and he is not talking about the top of the universe but above the heights of the clouds. This is where he imagined the throne of God to be – above the clouds. The throne of God is indeed described to be just above the firmament in the sky, and based on the creation account in Genesis the stars were placed in the firmament.

Is. 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north. 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Ez. 1:26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.

Gen. 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

The same verse (Is. 40:22) also uses the analogy of the heavens stretched out as a curtain and spread out as a TENT to dwell in – for the inhabitants who look like grasshoppers. It is almost impossible to imagine the picture of a tent placed on a globe where all the inhabitants live in. It is a perfect analogy if we imagine a flat earth with a firmament over it, and especially if we also imagine the tabernacle during the Exodus.

While chug is not a translation for ball, there is however a word for ”ball” that Isaiah could have used if this is what he wanted to express, but he did not use it in the above verse. He did, however, use it in Is. 22:18 where ball is a translation from dur (Strong’s 1754):

Is. 22:18 18 He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a BALL into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord’s house.

footstool

With four corners/pillars

Isaiah also describes God as having the earth as a footstool. It is hard to picture God with a constantly moving and spinning ball under his feet, but the analogy works perfectly if we imagine the earth to be flat, with a firmament and with four pillars, plus naturally standing still.

Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

Other verses on the same subject

In the Bible the earth is described as immovable, standing on pillars, with a firmament above it, placed in the very center of God’s creation, and not as a moving object such as a spinning ball rotating at 1,000 mph while speeding away faster than a bullet around the sun at 67,000 mph. This is why people who believe the former should at least be respected rather than ridiculed. But does it not also say that the earth hangs upon nothing? How does this fit either model?

Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

Other translations use the word ”void”, which might make the reader think about the creation account and ”the earth was without form and void”. Maybe Job’s description concerns this moment in time when God has just created the earth, hanging it on nothing, proceeding to dividing the waters and connecting it on pillars? This verse does not work very well if we imagine a spinning ball rotating around the sun. Such a constantly moving ball does not hang still on anything and does not need pillars.

Isaiah 13:13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the Lord of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

Ps. 104:5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

The Bible speaks about four corners in quite a few verses, both regarding the entire earth and also regarding a particular land of the earth – like Israel. The land of Israel is not formed as a globe but can be imagined as flat. The expression of the four corners could be both real or used as an analogy if the writers want to express an entirety of something. See for example Acts 10:11 and 11:15 where Peter is shown a sheet knit at the four corners containing various beasts. Naturally this sheet must have been rather flat, and everything within the four corners were acceptable for Peter to eat. Likewise, the land of Israel is likened with four corners in Ez 7:2 even if it is not square-shaped as sheets are. Rev. 7:1 seems to be talking about the four corners of the earth as a physical reality, with four angels holding four winds.

Acts 10: 11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: + Acts 11:5

Ez. 7:2 Also, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord God unto the land of Israel; An end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land.

Rev. 7:1  And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

See also this verse about the four corners, and note the word ”breadth” which is interesting:

Rev. 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.9 And they went up on the BREADTH of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

The word ”breadth” above describes the surface of the earth, and not parts of the earth. The word is a translation from the noun πλάτος/platos (Strong’s 4114) and can be translated as width or broad plain. The corresponding adjective is πλατύς/platus (Strong’s 4116) which can be used as a description of a street as in Matt. 7:13 (flat and stretched out). The corresponding verb is πλάσσω/plassó (Strong’s 4111), which can be translated as form/mould. The French word ”plateau” signifies a level portion (or nearly level) of the earth’s surface. The French word derives from platel, which is a description of a flat object, like a plateIn Swedish the word for ”flat” is ”platt” (similar in other Germanic languages).

The Bible contains parables and analogies and even if they are not descriptions of real things/events (at least not always), they still signify something and are used for a reason. The author would like the reader to get a certain image in his/her head when reading analogies, poetry or parable. This means that we cannot disregard the analogies we do not like and/or highlight the ones we do like. According to the Bible, it seems like a sufficiently tall tree would be visible to the earth’s farthest bounds. Sure, it might be an exaggeration (or a hyperbole) but if the earth is a globe, why would the devil even need to take Jesus up to a high level?

Dan. 4:11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth

Matt. 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them

All this does not mean that we have just proven that the earth is flat, but it certainly looks like the Bible claims that it is (with an honest reading), and particularly if we also read the book of Enoch.

Interestingly Wherner von Braun (the German aerospace engineer and space architect hired by NASA) put the the below psalm on his grave stone describing how the psalmist is in awe about God’s creation of the firmament which shows God’s handiwork:

Ps. 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

You can read about planets in the creation account here and you can read about the meaning of raqia (firmament) here.

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Märstabon Hassan Zubier, hjälten från terrorattacken i Åbo, som erkänt bedrägeri

pengarSuperhjälten som var superbedragare

Om man själv erkänt brott, och om det finns domar från rättegångar, så handlar det inte om förtal att sprida uppgiften. Jag nämner personen vid namn eftersom det pågår insamlingar till hans ära, och det är orätt att människor lockas att skänka pengar till en person som de tror är ärlig men som är en stor bedragare och bluffmakare. Då nu Finlands radio och TV sprider dessa sanna uppgifter och hans erkännande (YLE, och de största finska nyhetstidningarna) så borde Sverige också göra det – men de är alldeles tysta. Tål inte nyheten att se dagsljus? Är den för stor? Leder trådar från honom till andra?

Med tanke på att svenska sociala medier redan startat censur gällande de finska länkarna, så kan jag inte lova att de kommer att fungera här. Jag skriver därför om innehållet.

Saken:

Hassan Zubier, Märstabo (Sigtuna kommun), flera gånger i framför allt lokaltidningar, omskriven som svensk superhjälte pga hans heroiska insatser under Åby terrorattack i augusti 2017 (hävdar även att han var med i Stockhoms terrorattack fyra månader tidigare) där han sagt sig försvara sin flickvän och hjälpt en skadad kvinna så till den grad att han blev knivattackerad och blev rullstolsbunden för livet. Därav ekonomiska ersättningar och insamlingar till honom. Det är också av detta skäl som nyheten om Hassan borde spridas. Många kan känna sig lurade över vetskapen att de skänkt/skänker pengar till en erkänd bluffmakare som erkänt sitt bedrägeri. Fler borde få veta så snart som möjligt så att ingen mer pengar skänks.

(Tillägg:) Här är Hassan på film där han ledigt svingar sina ben upp och ner från ett bord samt rör sig ledigt i rummet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqpEhwMFwSE

Fakta:

  • Enligt egna uppgifter så var Hassan med om två terrorattacker under 2017 – Stockholms terrorattack och Åbo terrorattack. Vid Stockholms terrorattack så säger Hassan att han arbetat som ambulansförare. Han var även dykinstruktör enligt egen uppgift. Han har nu erkänt att han förfalskat ett intyg från ett ambulansföretag för att lura till sig ekonomiska ersättningar. Han har även erkänt att han fört fram ett falskt bevis inför finsk domstol. Det har framkommit att han överhuvudtaget inte arbetat innan Åboattacken pga MS-sjukdom. Om han uppbär sjukpenning pga MS-sjukdom så kan han givetvis inte heller arbeta, och Hassan bekräftar för Yle att han just varit/är ”sjukledig” i Sverige. Vad stämmer? Hassan säger att han även har brittiskt medborgarskap, och om han arbetat i Storbritannien är förstås spekulationer.
  • Hassan säger sig ha fått nervskador för livet pga knivattacken i Åbo 2017, och har nu förlorat sin arbetsförmåga.
  • Hassan och hans advokat krävde över 160 000 euro av Statskontoret, men utgången blev 96.000 euro. Dessutom tilldömdes han en månatlig ersättning på 950 Euro till han fyllt 65 år, vilket blir drygt 200.000 euro ytterligare.
  • En kvinna i Österbotten har samlat in över 32.600 euro till Hassan. Kvinnan säger att hon bara startat kontot åt Hassan och sedan inte ens haft rättighet att logga in på kontot som Hassan helt ansvarar för. Hon säger att hon även kan bevisa detta.
  • Sigtunabygden (och UNT) nämner ovan insamling för svenska läsare.
  • Hassan har fått medalj av både Finland och England pga sin insats i Åbo
  • 2017 nominerades han till Aftonbladets Svenska hjältar, och han har träffat Sveriges kung och drottning pga sin heroiska insats.

Nedan finns källa till nyheten om bedrägeri, samt andra källor. (Vet inte hur länge länkarna kommer att fungera.)

https://svenska.yle.fi/artikel/2018/08/21/hassan-zubier-erkanner-att-han-forsokte-lura-till-sig-ersattningar-med-etthttps://www.is.fi/kotimaa/art-2000005634351.html

https://www.is.fi/kotimaa/art-2000005721439.html

https://www.facebook.com/hassanzubierfinland

https://www.hbl.fi/artikel/ekonomiska-trangmal-bakom-bedrageriforsoket/

https://www.hbl.fi/artikel/zubier-insamlingen-inte-den-enda-problematiska-pa-natet/

http://www.unt.se/sigtunabygden/familj/han-visade-pa-ovanligt-mod-5049514.aspx

Lyssna på sommarprogram från honom själv där han ljuger friskt om sitt liv, och även berättar om Åbo terrorattack.

Hassan har, trots MS, visat att han kan förflytta sig helt obehindrat. Detta kan man se i nedan film som Hassan själv sänt live på Facebook under maj 2018 och filmen har idag nått ca 34 tusen visningar. Han har tidigare sagt att han ibland kan gå några meter åt gången, men det är märkligt att han kan resa sig, sätta sig och gå runt i rummet helt  obehindrat utan minsta tvekan. Om man bara kan gå några meter pga sjukdom så brukar det betyda att dessa steg tas långsamt och/eller med smärta tills man känner att man inte klarar mer. 

https://www.nykysuomi.com/2018/08/27/katso-video-hassan-loppuelama-pyoratuolissa-zubier-varsin-vetreana/

Ett par exempel vad finsk media skriver

Aamulehti (morgontidning i Tammerfors) :

  • Hassan har ingen licens i Sverige för att jobba som vårdare
  • När han berättade att han jobbat som fredsbevarare i Bosninen, så var det riktiga fredsbevarare som kunde konstatera att det inte fanns några trupper från Sverige vid den tiden i Bosnien (Se Hassans facebookinlägg på aamulehti-sidan).
  • När han fabulerat om tjänst i Afghanistan hade en Aamulehti-journalist frågat honom hur han kunnat ha tjänst som fredsbevarare när han finns i brottsregistret. Då hade Hassan erkänt att han ljugit, för att dölja att han varit i fängelse och för att ”skydda sig själv och sin flickvän”.
  • Hassan anlade en mordbrand på ett sjukhus år 2001 då han jobbade där som vakt. Sedan ”varnade” han ”heroiskt” de inneboende. Han fick åtta års fängelse.

https://www.hbl.fi/artikel/ekonomiska-trangmal-bakom-bedrageriforsoket/

https://www.aamulehti.fi/uutiset/turun-terrori-iskun-sankari-hassan-zubier-ei-ole-ensihoitaja-myontaa-myos-valehdelleensa-rauhanturvapalveluksesta-201155493/

Yle:

  • Hassan jobbade inte före Åbo. Han var sjukledig pga MS.
  • År 2000 satte han eld på sin egen bil p g a ett vredesutbrott. Han stal också pengar av sin arbetsgivare. 18.000 kr.
  • År 1998 blev han dömd för att ha gett falskt alarm
  • En insamlingssida startade den 27/12 2017. Mer än 600 personer har donerat mer än 32.600 Euro till just denna insamling.

https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-10365841

https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-10367312

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Det är för övrigt en del konstigheter kring hans vittnesmål kring Åboattacken (som är märklig öht – se här) och man kan undra varför han bara nämner att han ”skyddat” sin flickvän, och inte nämner sin svärmor som var med och höll barnvagn med hans egen son? Han skyddade väl dem också? Eller passar inte versionerna ihop?

TILLÄGG: Som väntat blev den nyupptäckta filmen ovan, som visar Hassans obehindrade rörlighet, snabbt nedtagen. Men Hassan fick en del frågor om filmen från en journalist på en finsk kvällstidning. Exempel med översättning till svenska:

Zubier som utsattes för många knivhugg i terroristattacken i Åbo har förmågan att gå, något som väckt förvåning. Vi ringde upp Z och frågade vad för slags skador han har. 

Många som har sett videon har förundrats sig över hur du stiger upp från stolen och går och tänder ljuset. Hur skulle du beskriva dina skador?

– Enligt läkarna är jag invalid till 75 procent, börjar Z.

– Jag fick nervskador i ryggraden under attacken. Detta har föranlett att jag kan promenera endast några meter åt gången. Min förmåga att gå varierar från dag till dag, smärtan är vissa dagar större. Den rehabilitering jag fått efter attacken gör det möjligt att  promenera 5-10 meter åt gången, säger Z.

Många har trott att du är förlamad. 

– Jag har aldrig sagt att jag är förlamad – inte i en enda intervju, och inte i rätten. För att jag förmår promenera bara några meter åt gången och lider av nervvärk, måste jag använda rullstol i det dagliga livet. 

Z. berättade för Iltalehti i en specialintervju i december hur knivhuggarens första hugg var det mest ödesdigra, för det hugget skadade ryggmärgen. 

Här nedan finns en film som visar Hassan ett par dagar efter attacken då han befann sig vid Åbo torg och pratar med journalister. Inga sår eller skador syns någonstans trots att han enligt egen uppgift blivit knivhuggen 3-4 gånger i rygg och axel, vilket har lett till att han inte kan lyfta armen på nervskador. Men Hassan bär en armbindel.

Hassan berättar om sin sjukvårdsutbildning. Två veckor efter Åboattacken säger han att han tror att han med största sannolikhet kommer att förbli rullstolsbunden trots att han kan få tillbaka 10%:s rörlighet i benen.

Hassan säger att han har en ”avancerad sjukvårdsutbildning” (13 min):

Hassan har sagt till media:

”Vissa dagar kommer jag inte ur sängen på grund av smärtorna. Jag sover 3-4 timmar per natt på grund av smärtorna. Varje dag handlar om att kämpa.”

”Jag kommer inte kunna hoppa upp från rullstolen och springa, eller gå på toaletten som normalt igen.”

Expressen skriver ”I dag tar han sig fram med hjälp av en elrullstol och har nedsatt känsel från bröstet och neråt. Samtidigt har han svåra och allvarliga nervskador. ”

Hassan säger att han inte kan gå:

”- Jag kan stå men inte gå. Jag fryser hela tiden och nervvärken plågar mig dygnet runt. Jag kan inte sova mera än 3-4 timmar per natt. Jag kan inte känna om jag är kissnödig och jag har blivit tvungen att ställa in mobilen för att den ska påminna mig om att gå på toaletten.  Jag fick tillbaka känseln i min ena hand för bara tre veckor sedan. ….”

https://www.seiska.fi/Uutiset/Turun-terrori-iskun-sankari-Hassan-Zubier-vammautui-iaksi-En-pysty-kavelemaan-enka-tunne

I nedan artikel klagar han över hur illa Sverige behandlat honom. Samt att han inte längre kan jobba som ambulansförare och bara får 1100 euro i sjukpension.

Hassan tävlingskör båt 4 augusti 2018:

Sleep paralysis, inability to move or speak – testimonies

dreamingWhat is sleep paralysis?

Sleep paralysis is when during awakening or a falling asleep, a person is conscious and aware but unable to move or speak. It can occur while falling asleep (predormital sleep paralysis) or when waking up (postdormital sleep paralysis). It is equally common among men and women, but it is more common among young people (like young teens.)

Feelings of fear and panic are naturally common during a sleep paralysis, and some have felt sensations of electric vibrations running through their body as well as hearing static sounds. Some have had such bad experiences during their sleep paralyses, like seeing the shape of someone in the room, that they fear going to sleep. Some suggest that lack of sleep might be a contributing factor for people prone to get a sleep paralysis, but I have heard of even more testimonies where the exact opposite is true – where individuals have had plenty of regular sleep and yet experience sleep paralyses.

Factors that may be linked to a sleep paralysis might include:

  • Being a young teenager
  • Sleeping on the back
  • Having had lots of sleep and feeling relaxed

I have often wondered if the blood factor RH 0 Negative (0 -) might be one of the triggers for a sleep paralysis, but I have no statistics for this. About 7% of the world’s population have this blood type including myself.

My own experience

My first postdormital sleep paralysis lasted about 15-20 minutes, and the second one  lasted for a couple of minutes.

My first one occurred when I was a young teenager, about 14 years of age, and I believe I was sleeping on my back. It was late one morning, about 10.30, and that is when I usually woke up in my teens without an alarm clock. When I woke up I could open my eyes and look around, but I could not move or speak. My entire body was completely paralyzed and I could not move even if I tried. I was wide awake so it was definitely not a dream, a hallucination or similar. Naturally I was frightened but I took for granted that this highly unusual condition surely must stop right away because I was awake after all! However, regardless of my severe attempts to move I was still paralyzed.

If I would not have been able to see, I would likely have panicked, and also if it had happen during the night when it would have been dark. Fortunately I was able to see, and it was light with sunshine coming in from the window. Apart from my paralysis, everything looked and appeared as normal and it was therefore not a frightening atmosphere. I still longed to hear sounds from any family member outside my door, because this would hopefully help my body to wake up? But I heard no one, and after some time my body woke up by itself.

My second experience happened soon after, but I cannot remember if it was days or weeks in between.

I have had numerous predormital sleep paralyses in my life, even if I had not had them the last 10 years. I did not realize at the time that the two types of sleep paralyses were connected, nor that they were even called sleep paralysis. In a way the predormital sleep paralyses were more frightening even though they only lasted for seconds, because then I could not even open my eyes, it was dark in the room and I had a strong sensation of fear. Usually you are not aware of the moment when you fall asleep but during a predormital sleep paralysis you will suddenly be aware of the exact second of falling asleep. Maybe this does not sound too bad, but it is extremely frightening to not be able to move or speak in combination with a nightmarish feeling – and the knowledge that you will likely not succeed to overcome the situation (by sitting up in bed) but you will be dragged down into a sleep against your will. This type of paralysis might happen both when you are about to sleep for the night, but also later during the night when you wake up with a paralysis.

I remember when I was a very young child – like 4 or younger – when I was afraid of sleeping due to the feeling of being totally absorbed into my pillow and not being able to move. I felt that I was dragged into a nightmarish feeling from the very start, and I desperately tried to prevent it but always failed. I also had plenty of nightmares and hallucinations during this time, but this is not uncommon among small children. (These types of hallucinations should not be compared with sleep paralyses, which are real.)

I have read testimonies from people who have had ”out-of-body experiences” (or astral projections) and it seems like at least some of them start with a sleep paralysis. It is when they fight hard to get out of the paralysis when they suddenly feel that they are being lifted up and move towards the ceiling, where they turn around and can see themselves in bed. I have no means of knowing if these experiences are true or not, but maybe they are since ”near death experiences” definitely seem true. Sure, some of them might be lies, and others might be exaggerated or misunderstood, but I truly believe people have experienced them. At times they have been able to describe dialogues among the hospital staff during the time when they (the patients) were actually ”dead” – before returning back to life. Many have described the light, an encounter with angels, communication without words and even a meeting with God who tells them that it is not time …

Up to as many as four out of every 10 people may have experienced a sleep paralysis. Have you? Please let us know about your sleep paralysis experience or an out-of-body experience.

Eccl. 12:6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

If we inherited Adam’s sin and were born with a sinful nature, we have Bible contradictions

wonderfully madeThe non-Biblical sinful nature  

The Bible does not teach that man is born with a sinful nature (not in Romans 5, not in Ephesians 2, not in any psalms, not anywhere). This illogical idea (that babies are sinners) can be traced back to Augustine and even all the way back to the gnostics.

Neither does the Bible claim that man can get an injection of someone else’s righteousness and thus magically become righteous despite living in sin. Man himself is responsible for being faithful to Jesus and to live a righteous life. Do not let anyone tell you that being obedient to Jesus is about self-righteousness, and therefore a sinful works-based salvation.

If man would be born (or conceived) with a sinful nature, we end up with many contradictions.

  • The Bible is strangely silent about it and rather claims that man is guilty when he transgresses the law of God, which requires that he knows the law in the first place.
  • We would have the best excuse for sin there is – our nature made us do it.
  • All the church fathers the first 300 years AD would be wrong for claiming the opposite.
  • Jesus would have a HUGE advantage over us from the very start since he was not born with a sinful nature, which is something that makes the holder prone to sin. We would be able to say ”No wonder that Jesus could so easily refrain from sin! He was not born with a sinful nature like the rest of us!”
  • Sinning is apparently something that can be found in the DNA and be inherited from person to person, and not (always) something that a man DOES.
  • It is apparently a sin to have ”flesh”, since this is the starting point for our sins?  Jesus started to get flesh just like us during his conception, but his flesh was without those sin genes?
  • God turns out to be an unrighteous judge who charges all human beings for something they are innocent of and could not help.
  • The sinful nature has apparently prevented all human beings from being obedient to God from the very start, so God has either made us too weak to obey his laws, or he has made the laws too difficult for us to obey.
  • Sinning is described in the Bible as transgressing God’s law (1 John. 3:4) and something that offends him, but what exactly offends God about a person being born (or conceived)?
  • Babies (also newborn, and unborn babies) would be able to commit sin – even before they have hearts, despite that Matt. 15:18-19 and Mark 7:20-23 tell us that evil thoughts proceed from the heart.
  • Babies are apparently spiritually ”dead” already from conception when they are still tiny specks, which puts Eph. 2:1 in doubt since it claims that we are dead due to ”trespasses and sins”.
  • Romans 5:12 should not be saying that ”death passed upon all men FOR that all have sinned”, but rather that SIN passed upon all men because Adam sinned. (Btw, the Bible itself proves in many verses that ”all” does not always refer to all human beings.)
  • James would be wrong for claiming that man’s own lust and giving in for temptation is the cause of sin (James 1:14-15), when in reality all people are sinful long before they can have lust and before they even have functional body parts.
  • Is. 7:16 would be wrong for suggesting that a child does not know to refuse the evil and choose the good.   
  • etc

But … if we have no sinful nature, why do we sin? Answer: Why did Adam and Eve sin? Think about that for a moment.

But … if we have no sinful nature, then there could potentially be someone out there who could have been totally free of sin all his life. Answer: Yes.

But … if we have no sinful nature, why did Jesus have to die? Answer: Because we have sinned. We have transgressed the law of God.

We are sinners precisely because we could have chosen to obey God but chose to not do it. This makes us guilty rather than God. God is graceous and does not give us one single chance to live righteous, but if we mix sin and righteousness we have not truly repented and we are fooling ourselves.

Transferring blood to make us righteous?

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”Impute” translated from the Greek verb λογίζομαι (logizomai, Strong’s 3049) = can also be translated to think, reckon, count and suppose. Note that it does not mean ”transfer” or ”inject”. 

When we repent we become totally cleansed from our past sins (certainly not any future sins) and we are totally forgiven even if our sins are numerous and severe. We are counted as righteous because sin can no longer be found in us when we are 100% free from all sin. It is therefore no divine lie that we are counted as righteous because the fact is that this is what we have truly become thanks to the cleansing blood of Jesus Christ.

So how long does this righteous state of being last? It lasts as long as we remain righteous by walking in the light, which is OUR responsibility. WE are supposed to be led by the holy Spirit and be faithful to Jesus. Do not let anyone tell you that someone else will do it for you or instead of you. Jesus is ”our righteousness” in the sense that he died for us and removed our sins, but this does not mean that we can get his righteousness transferred into us. Many Christians misunderstand ”imputed” righteousness in Rom 4-5, because they erroneously believe it means ”transferred”. This is not true, since the word rather means to be reckoned, counted or regarded as righteous. Not because of a blood transfer, but because our sins have been removed. The Bible does not teach ”once righteous always righteous” (or ”once saved always saved”). If a prisoner gets out of jail, it does not mean that he is now free to commit further crimes since he has

There is no way that God would count us as righteous unless we truly were, and we can never fool God by suggesting that he does not see our sins but only the precious blood of Jesus. We can never be regarded as positionally righteous while still living in sin. Always remember Satan’s famous lie ”Ye shalt not surely die”. The idea that blood can be transferred into us and make us righteous (even if we sin), is an attempt from Satan’s side to trick us into feeling comfortable in our sin and to get the idea that we have a heavenly fire insurance. Even many pastors teach that it is normal for Christians to sin, and abnormal if they do not. They might even go further than that by suggesting that it is self-righteous to be completely faithful to Jesus, and that we should never believe that we can be victorious over sin. Satan could not be happier for this type of help, because it is totally backwards: ”Christian sinners” (an oxymoron) go to heaven, but righteous Christians go to hell (because of the sin of self-righteousness). This sounds like the greatest sin (and the only one that can make you lose your salvation?) is to teach and believe that you can be completely faithful to God. THAT angers God the most?

1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Matt. 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall DO and TEACH THEM, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, YE SHALL IN NO CASE ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.  

God is speaking:

Gen. 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Deut. 30:11 “For this commandment which I command you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it out of reach. —- 14 But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may observe it. (NASB)

Read about Rom. 5 here.