“CIRCLE of the earth” – Isaiah 40:22
If you want to prove that the earth is a globe based on the Bible, you must use another verse than Isaiah 40:22 since this verse does not say it. There are at least three main problems with this verse if you want to use it to prove a globe – the circle, the grasshoppers and the tent …
Is. 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the CIRCLE of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a TENT to dwell in
Frisbees and dinner plates are shaped like circles, and circles are indeed round. A circle is not the same as a globe, a ball or a sphere, even if a ball can look like a circle if viewed in only one dimension.
“Circle” in the above verse is a translation from the Hebrew noun chug (Strong’s 2329) which means circle, vault or horizon. (Note that it is not translated as ball or sphere.) Apart from the above verse, it is found twice more in the Bible. In Job 22:14 we can read about God walking on the circle/vault of heaven (walking on the firmament of heaven), and in Proverbs 8:27 we can read that this circle was inscribed into the face of the deep. KJV phrases it as “when he set a compass upon the face of the depth”. A ball does not have a side that could be considered “a face”, but a flat earth does. NKJV phrases it as “When He drew a circle on the face of the deep”. It is hard (or rather impossible) to draw a sphere or a globe into something, but it is definitely possible to draw/inscribe a circle into something.
Job 22:14 Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit of heaven. (KJV)
Proverbs. 8:27 When He prepared the heavens, I was there, When He drew a circle on the face of the deep, (NKJV)
Note above that it would not make sense to draw “a globe” on the face of the deep. Compare also:
Job 26:10 “He has inscribed a circle (Strong’s 2328) on the surface of the waters At the boundary of light and darkness. (NASB)
A circle of ice compassing the waters, under a firmament?
The above noun (chug) is connected to the Hebrew verb with the same name spelling chug (Strong’s 2328), which means to draw around, to make a circle. It is only found in Job 26:10 where we can read that God has inscribed a circle on the surface, or (as in KJV) “compassed the waters”.
Isaiah 40:22 further suggests that when God sits on this circle (the firmament) the inhabitants look like grasshoppers. This requires a certain elevation, which works well with a physical firmament placed high over a round earth. An elevation is also implied in Job 22:12 where we can read: “Surely God is at the zenith of the heavens [shamayim] and looks down on all the stars, high as they are.” Note that it says that God “looks down” on the stars when he sits, or walks around, on the firmament.
The morning star (Lucifer) wanted to exalt his throne above the stars of God, and he is not talking about the top of the universe but above the heights of the clouds. This is where he imagined the throne of God to be – above the clouds. The throne of God is indeed described to be just above the firmament in the sky, and based on the creation account in Genesis the stars were placed in the firmament.
Is. 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north. 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Ez. 1:26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.
Gen. 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
The same verse (Is. 40:22) also uses the analogy of the heavens stretched out as a curtain and spread out as a TENT to dwell in – for the inhabitants who look like grasshoppers. It is almost impossible to imagine the picture of a tent placed on a globe where all the inhabitants live in. It is a perfect analogy if we imagine a flat earth with a firmament over it, and especially if we also imagine the tabernacle during the Exodus.
While chug is not a translation for ball, there is however a word for “ball” that Isaiah could have used if this is what he wanted to express, but he did not use it in the above verse. He did, however, use it in Is. 22:18 where ball is a translation from dur (Strong’s 1754):
Is. 22:18 18 He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a BALL into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord’s house.
With four corners/pillars
Isaiah also describes God as having the earth as a footstool. It is hard to picture God with a constantly moving and spinning ball under his feet, but the analogy works perfectly if we imagine the earth to be flat, with a firmament and with four pillars, plus naturally standing still.
Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
Other verses on the same subject
In the Bible the earth is described as immovable, standing on pillars, with a firmament above it, placed in the very center of God’s creation, and not as a moving object such as a spinning ball rotating at 1,000 mph while speeding away faster than a bullet around the sun at 67,000 mph. This is why people who believe the former should at least be respected rather than ridiculed. But does it not also say that the earth hangs upon nothing? How does this fit either model?
Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
Other translations use the word “void”, which might make the reader think about the creation account and “the earth was without form and void”. Maybe Job’s description concerns this moment in time when God has just created the earth, hanging it on nothing, proceeding to dividing the waters and connecting it on pillars? This verse does not work very well if we imagine a spinning ball rotating around the sun. Such a constantly moving ball does not hang still on anything and does not need pillars.
Isaiah 13:13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the Lord of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.
Ps. 104:5 5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
The Bible speaks about four corners in quite a few verses, both regarding the entire earth and also regarding a particular land of the earth – like Israel. The land of Israel is not formed as a globe but can be imagined as flat. The expression of the four corners could be both real or used as an analogy if the writers want to express an entirety of something. See for example Acts 10:11 and 11:15 where Peter is shown a sheet knit at the four corners containing various beasts. Naturally this sheet must have been rather flat, and everything within the four corners were acceptable for Peter to eat. Likewise, the land of Israel is likened with four corners in Ez 7:2 even if it is not square-shaped as sheets are. Rev. 7:1 seems to be talking about the four corners of the earth as a physical reality, with four angels holding four winds.
Acts 10: 11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: + Acts 11:5
Ez. 7:2 Also, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord God unto the land of Israel; An end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land.
Rev. 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
See also this verse about the four corners, and note the word “breadth” which is interesting:
Rev. 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.9 And they went up on the BREADTH of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
The word “breadth” above describes the surface of the earth, and not parts of the earth. The word is a translation from the noun πλάτος/platos (Strong’s 4114) and can be translated as width or broad plain. The corresponding adjective is πλατύς/platus (Strong’s 4116) which can be used as a description of a street as in Matt. 7:13 (flat and stretched out). The corresponding verb is πλάσσω/plassó (Strong’s 4111), which can be translated as form/mould. The French word “plateau” signifies a level portion (or nearly level) of the earth’s surface. The French word derives from platel, which is a description of a flat object, like a plate. In Swedish the word for “flat” is “platt” (similar in other Germanic languages).
The Bible contains parables and analogies and even if they are not descriptions of real things/events (at least not always), they still signify something and are used for a reason. The author would like the reader to get a certain image in his/her head when reading analogies, poetry or parable. This means that we cannot disregard the analogies we do not like and/or highlight the ones we do like. According to the Bible, it seems like a sufficiently tall tree would be visible to the earth’s farthest bounds. Sure, it might be an exaggeration (or a hyperbole) but if the earth is a globe, why would the devil even need to take Jesus up to a high level?
Dan. 4:11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth
Matt. 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them
All this does not mean that we have just proven that the earth is flat, but it certainly looks like the Bible claims that it is (with an honest reading), and particularly if we also read the book of Enoch.
Interestingly Wherner von Braun (the German aerospace engineer and space architect hired by NASA) put the the below psalm on his grave stone describing how the psalmist is in awe about God’s creation of the firmament which shows God’s handiwork:
Ps. 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
You can read about planets in the creation account here and you can read about the meaning of raqia (firmament) here.
Bjorkbloggen 
firmament means curve, if above is curved, therefore below is curved. In the book of enoch , ut says that the end of the earth is located beneath the heaven, therefore, the end of theearth is there up there. Thus the earth should be round. One thing more, the word chuwg, khug means, round, sphere
LikeLike
Hey Lou
Do read the blog post, and also the below blog post about the firmament:
It is of interest to see how the Greek
The original Hebrew noun in the Old Testament is raqia (Strong’s 7549) and can be translated as an extended surface or expanse. Bluletterbible also offers “a visible arch of the sky”.
The corresponding Hebrew verb raqa (Strong’s 7554) could be translated into: to beat, beat out, stamp, hammer and spread out thinly, like the process of making a dish by hammering thin a lump of metal.
Yes the earth is certainly round but the question is if it’s also a moving ball. The Bible says it’s flat and can be likened with a footstool for God.
“Circle” is a translation from the Hebrew noun chug (Strong’s 2329) which means circle, vault or horizon. (Note that it is not translated as ball or sphere.)
LikeLike
You’re trying so hard to down play the Bible! When it stated the earth of being a circle, he did not say a square! A circle is still round, there are other words to describe, circle, round, globe, ball! Give me a break you non-believers will do anything to over analyze every verse. Back then they spoke and used words differently!
LikeLike
Hmm, you should read the article.
LikeLike
Hey Dan. I just learned about how King James was a Freemason and changed the first translation (Matthew Bible). Do you have anything I can share with my family to help us learn more about King James ? Thank you bunches.
LikeLike
It’s very simple people! Romans 3:4 Let God be true but every man a liar. His word is true and the Bible is 100% geocentric. The Luciferian, Copernican, Jesuit, Free Mason lie of heliocentrism was designed to hide the handiwork of God putting doubt into the hearts and minds of millions as to the inerrancy of the written word of God. Making His word a lie or deceptive at best and to make God non existent or very distant at best. it’s not just a couple of things here and there that are apposed to God’s word but every single detail of the heliocentric model is directly opposed to His word. John 8:32 You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. Heliocentrism demands that you abandon all God given common sense, and your senses of what you see and feel. And it flys in the face of almost all laws of physics. Joshua 24:15 Choose you this day whom ye will serve, as for me and my house we will serve the Lord. I choose to serve Him by believing Him. His word will always prove real science not vice versa. The liars and fakers of NASA and the people in the religion of scientism peddling pseudo science are not the truth givers. The God of all creation, the God of the Bible and the foundational verses in Genesis and all throughout scripture is TRUTH. Heliocentrism is a lie from the father of lies and is a prerequisite for evolution, they both depend on the billions of year’s paradigm. 1st Timothy 6:20 {KJV} O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profanity and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so-called:
LikeLiked by 1 person
Thanks, Paul. Many good comments!
GBU
LikeLike
Pingback: The Flat Earth Hypothesis - EJ Hill
a good starting point for you would be to throw away your devils version (kjv) and go to the source. Then lose your Roman background and put the Jew back into Jesus. After you’ve completed that round, THEN stop making poetic reference as your scientific basis……
LikeLike
Hey Dan
Strange claims to say to a Swedish person who isn’t likely to have a Roman background (rather Lutheran) or a Bible in English as the prime source.
Since you’ve made so many incorrect judgments about simple things, I doubt you have anything to teach me about the Bible.
Blessings
LikeLike
I find that people like Dan who reject the KJV seem to be the ones sucked into much of the false teachings so rampant today.
LikeLike
Isaiah, when used by ball Earthers is the weakest possible defense they could come up with.
Geometry 101 a circle is not a ball. Isaiah knew that. He spoke of the “circle of the earth” in chapter 40 and in a few chapters prior he talks or being kicked out of the land lie a ball.
As you know Hebrew is a very precise language and Isaiah knew the difference between a circle and a ball, that is why he made the distinction of using the term ball in the previous chapters to the circle in the latter chapter in Isaiah.
LikeLike
Good point, Paul!
LikeLike
Pingback: STAR GODS ALIGN JUNE 24 – Eye Opening Truth
Pingback: The FIRMAMENT in Biblical Genesis – something visible and SOLID – the meaning of raqia by Annika Björk | Crossmap Blogs
Great work,
I disagree though on one thing, people who believe God’s account of His creation need not be referred as ones that should be respected, as though it’s a strange thing in choosing to believe the word of God.
To be respected by men and women that proclaim to be Christians taking a back seat to the word of God, giving way to the Luciferisn lie designed to hide God and put doubt in the hearts and minds millions as to the inerrant word of God are not people we should be taking second place to. Romans 3:4
(that’s what I perceived those words to mean) I’m sure I could be wrong on that, if so my apologies.
Every pastor I now personally has defended the heliocentric lie believing the Godless religion of scientism: Basically saying that Almighty God isn’t mighty enough to make sure His word (account) of His creation was recorded accurately, and that so-called ignorant man was too much of a challenge for Him to get it right. And these are the guys that are supposed to stand in the face of evil and proclaim the truth of God’s word.
Truth matters no matter what. John 8:32 is not just about salvation but multifaceted, not to say that believing in the heliocentric lie is a salvation issue on a personal level. But how many atheists are grounded in what they believe because the guys preaching the gospel message don’t believe the very foundational scripture verses in Genesis? Not only in Genesis but throughout the bible. For this reason alone, to preach the truth about God’s creation is to preach the gospel.
I have very little patience with the clergy anymore. I’ve been accused by them of, paganism and that I’m the one believing Satan’s lies. I’m convinced that this great lie is demonic in nature, for it have such a hold on the masses proclaiming to be Christians even after being shown the truth in black and white from the pages of God’s word. Satan would never create such a deception without his signature. That speed “faster than a bullet” that the earth is supposedly orbiting the sun is 66.6 thousand miles per hour. (Interesting number) the so-called tilt of the earth on its axis is 23.4° the opposing angle in that right angle is 66.6°, that’s no coincidence.
My problem with the clergy is not just the fact they not only flat out call God a liar and the men and women in the godless religion scientism the truth givers, it’s that they completely abandon 2nd Timothy 2:15 on the subject.They ignore the fact they are admonished in scripture to prove all things, to give an answer for why they believe what they believe, and to be ready in season and out of season. 1st Timothy 6:20 means nothing to them, and to believe what they believe and even preach it is to make Psalm 19:1 and Romans 1:20 meaningless! There is nothing glorious about the handy work of God in heliocentrism which is entirely dependent on the “big bang” and the billions of years’ paradigm.
I believe that with the clergy for the most part it’s a matter of pride and fear. Pride in having to admit that they were deceived along with the rest of us and fear of being ridiculed and a dwindling congregation and offering plate as a result. I know there are FEW bold enough to stand for the truth of God’s word John 14:6 Jesus was there, “in the beginning” everything that was made was made by Him. He said that we are to live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. The apostle Paul, “the full council…”
I grew up as a preachers kid, my brother is a pastor and is one that told me I was into paganism for believing God, for actually understanding Romans 3:4. I grew up in the church and the religious twisting of scripture like a pretzel trying to make the lie of the heliocentric model is not only appalling it’s nauseating.
A separating of the wheat from the tears is what I think we are seeing before us today. If pastors had taught their people the truth realizing how much they have been lied to by their government and NASA many wouldn’t have been deceived into taking that poisonous jab. And there will be millions deceived by the next great deception of an alien invasion. Simply because the church as a whole has rejected biblical cosmology, making that not only absurd but an impossibility. As in the days of Noah, the last days… There will be an invasion, but it will be demonic.
Romans 3:4
Joshua 24:15 Choose you this day whom ye will serve, as for me and my house we will serve the Lord. I choose to serve Him by believing Him.
In closing:
God’s word alone should be enough for us as Christians, even though there are many proofs of our stationary non-rotating earth just a God’s word declares. Not to mention, absolutely nothing even close for a spinning ball.
God bless you, great write-up keep up the great work.
Paul
LikeLike
Great work,
I disagree though on one thing, people who believe God’s account of His creation need not be referred as to ones that should be respected, as though it’s a strange thing in choosing to believe the word of God.
To be respected by men and women that proclaim to be Christians taking a back set to the word of God, giving way to the Luciferisn lie designed to hide God and put doubt in the hearts and minds millions as to the inerrant word of God are not people we should be taking second place to. Romans 3:4
(that’s what I perceived those words to mean) I’m sure I could be wrong on that, if so my apologies.
Every pastor I now personally has defended the heliocentric lie believing the Godless religion of scientism: Basically saying that Almighty God isn’t mighty enough to make sure His word (account) of His creation was recorded accurately, and that so-called ignorant man was too much of a challenge for Him to get it right. And these are the guys that are supposed to stand in the face of evil and proclaim the truth of God’s word.
Truth matters no matter what. John 8:32 is not just about salvation but multifaceted, not to say that believing in the heliocentric lie is a salvation issue on a personal level. But how many atheists are grounded in what they believe because the guys preaching the gospel message who don’t believe the very foundational scripture verses in Genesis? Not only in Genesis but throughout the bible. For this reason alone, to preach the truth about God’s creation is to preach the gospel.
I have very little patience with the clergy anymore. I’ve been accused by them of, paganism and that I’m the one believing Satan’s lies. I’m convinced that this great lie is demonic in nature, for it have such a hold on the masses proclaiming to be Christians even after being shown the truth in black and white from the pages of God’s word. Satan would never create such a deception without his signature. That speed “faster than a bullet” that the earth is supposedly orbiting the sun is 66.6 thousand miles per hour. (Interesting number) the so-called tilt of the earth on its axis is 23.4° the opposing angle in that right angle is 66.6°, that’s no coincidence.
My problem with the clergy is not just the fact they not only flat out call God a liar and the men and women in the godless religion scientism the truth givers, is that they completely abandon ” 2nd Timothy 2:15 on the subject.They ignore the fact they are admonished in scripture to prove all things, to give an answer for why they believe what they believe, to be ready in season and out of season. 1st Timothy 6:20 means nothing to them and to believe what they believe and even preach it is to make Psalm 19:1 and Romans 1:20 meaningless! There is nothing glorious about heliocentrism which is entirely dependent on the “big bang” and the billions of years’ paradigm.
I believe that with the clergy for the most part it’s a matter of pride and fear. Pride in having to admit that they were deceived along with the rest of us and fear of being ridiculed and a dwindling congregation and offering plate as a result. I know there a FEW bold enough to stand for the truth of God’s word John 14:6 Jesus was there, “in the beginning” verything that was made was made by Him. He said that we are to live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. The apostle Paul, “the full council…”
I grew up as a preachers kid, my brother is a pastor and is one that told me I was into paganism for believing God, for actually understanding Romans 3:4. I grew up in the church and the religious twisting of scripture like a pretzel trying to make the lie of the heliocentric model fit scripture is not only appalling it’s nauseating.
A separating of the wheat from the tears is what I think we are seeing before us today. If pastors had taught their people the truth realizing how much they have been lied to by their government and NASA many wouldn’t have been deceived into taking that poisonous jab. And there will be millions deceived by the next great deception of an alien invasion. Simply because the church as a whole has rejected biblical cosmology, making that not only absurd but an impossibility. As in the days of Noah, the last days… There will be an invasion, but it will be demonic.
Romans 3:4
Joshua 24:15 Choose you this day whom ye will serve, as for me and my house we will serve the Lord. I choose to serve Him by believing Him.
In closing:
God’s word alone should be enough for us as Christians, even though there are many proofs of our stationary non-rotating earth just a God’s word declares. Not to mention, absolutely nothing even close for a spinning ball.
God bless you, great write-up keep up the great work.
Paul
LikeLike
Hey Paul
And thanks for your interesting input! I’m saying Amen, Amen all the way through 🙂 It”s really sad when even Christians get uptight about those who believe God is able to describe his creation in a way that we understand, including what we can read about the shape of the earth. Some Christians look down on flat earth Christians and this is what I mean with declaring that flat earthers should instead be respected. God will never get mad at readers who believe his words exactly as they are. In a narrow or broad context, the Bible says what it says about the Creation.
<<<Basically saying that Almighty God isn’t mighty enough to make sure His word (account) of His creation was recorded accurately,
Yes, isn't that rather backwards!
<<For this reason alone, to preach the truth about God’s creation is to preach the gospel
Exactly! This subject alone could make the scales fall off people's eyes so that they can see!
<< . If pastors had taught their people the truth realizing how much they have been lied to by their government and NASA many wouldn’t have been deceived into taking that poisonous jab.
Yes, either NASA is true or the Bible. The choice should be easy.
<<And there will be millions deceived by the next great deception of an alien invasion.
You might be on to something there, and Agenda 2030 is getting closer. The elite has been successful so far in deceiving the people but they also know that they must step up a notch in order to get us to scream "Please take the last bits of our freedom away from us, as long as you help protecting us!".
I's frustrating when some Christians refuse to even consider that they might be the ones in error, but I'm glad each time I meet someone who has understood the truth like you.
Let God be true but every man a liar …
/Annika
LikeLike
Just for a little background:
I’m 66 years old now, about a year ago I was watching a Christian program and David Weiss (DITRH) was on their show. I almost turned it off but what I was hearing was making sense. The thing that caught my attention is that he said he set out to “debunk” flat earth” and that he was an atheist. And now as a result he knows he’s not living on a spinning ball, and that there is a creator/designer. I’m praying he comes to know Jesus as his Lord and Savior. This guy put pastors to shame in proclaiming the truth of God’s word.
After that I came to the word of God as best I could setting aside the bias that I had been brainwashed with since childhood. I literally spent all day till the wee hours of the morning studying the bible in the light of geocentrism. I finally got it, THE TRUTH. Once you see it you can’t unsee it.
As a Christian, what a blessing to know that the earth is at the center of His creation and that He is s right there looking down from above the firmament just as His word declares. I’m the apple of His eye, not an insignificant speck on a speck hurtling aimlessly through an ever-expanding infinite universe, yes, even as a Christian wondering where is that physical place that my heavenly father lives. Just as a person would think he or she is there the universe expands making that place called heaven an impossibility. That’s what heliocentrism gives us. That’s when I realized that the infinite belongs to God only. It always comes back to Romans 4:3 what does scripture say… And Romans 3:4. In Genesis 2:1 God said that He was finished with creation.
I like very much what you said about the book of Enoch. I grew up believing having been taught that the books of Enoch, Jasher, and Jubilees were taboos for Christians.
As you pointed out these books were referenced in the bible as though we should know what they were all about.
This is going to sound very bold and “out there”. But the book of Enoch brings so much clarity to God’s Creation (Geocentrism) also the Nephilim.
I believe that what we know as the “closed canon” was nothing more than a group of men with an agenda throwing out books of the bible. The church had just recently accepted the Copernican, Luciferian heliocentric lie as the truth and these books were strongly geocentric particularly Enoch.
One would think that these men would stop to think for a moment, that this guy (Enoch) walked and talked with God and was “taken up”, that just maybe he might have some inside information? 🤔 Was it the Holy Spirit working the hearts of men that called the canon “closed” or was it part of Satans plan to keep generations of this world deceived?
I realize we don’t want to go down a slippery slope of adding writings to the bible, the thing is they were part of the bible. In Revelation “Woe to those that add or take away…” That was specific to that prophecy in Revelation. Other scriptures simply tell us not to change the meaning of what it says.
Just think if the atheist had the understanding of the Nephilim before the flood and how utterly wicked man was, except for Noah and his family. They might not utter such blasphemous things about God and know that it was His mercy and that he saved mankind. We know from scripture that no one is perfect, not even Noah. It was his genetics/DNA that hadn’t been corrupted
It’s been quite the journey for the last couple of years truly, putting int practice 2nd Timothy 2:15.
God blessed you,
Paul
LikeLike
Hey Paul!
I believe all flat earthers are former globe earthers, and most likely they have jumped the fence due to investigating the topic with the aim to debunk the flat earth model. Yes, Dave Weiss is maybe not a full fledged Christian, but he is a former atheist, and as you say, he has probably done more to make people believe in the Creator than many pastors and priests! I join you in my prayers for him and other people in the movement. Also Flat earth man (you’ve probably heard of him) has taken the same route as Dave to be more open to Christianity. I wish he wouldn’t have added so many bad words in his music films but I still listen to his videos on his channel Conspiracy Music Guru. He too has done a lot to convert people to Christianity even if he isn’t aware of it.
My own journey into this world started with Rob Skiba (who sadly passed away likely due to being mishandled in hospital), who proposed Mark Sargean’t videos and Eric Dubay’s. I don’t share all views of either one of them but their material has still been worth checking out. I listened to Eric’s “200 proofs …” while ironing.
<< I’m the apple of His eye, not an insignificant speck on a speck hurtling aimlessly through an ever-expanding infinite universe
Very true, and this is exactly what Satan has succeeded to revert, as you describe. He has managed to make people remind each other of that we're nothing, a mistake happened by chance in a universe where no one cares about our history or future. Yes, many believe in God despite this false teaching but how many people have lost interest in God and the Bible due to the teaching of Evolution and Heliocentrism?
<<<I like very much what you said about the book of Enoch. I grew up believing having been taught that the books of Enoch, Jasher, and Jubilees were taboos for Christians.
Me too. It's like we could read any other book, even secular books, but if we touched one of those lost books you mentioned, just wow …. It was like a huge sin.
<<But the book of Enoch brings so much clarity to God’s Creation (Geocentrism) also the Nephilim.
No wonder it has been taught like a taboo to read it. To me the book of Jasher gave me a lot of aha moments. None of these books contradict the Bible – any more than certain Bible books contradict other Bible books (they don't).
<<I realize we don’t want to go down a slippery slope of adding writings to the bible, the thing is they were part of the bible.
Yes, and it's also possible to believe that certain chronicles referred to in the Bible, were true secular writings even if they were not written under the influence of God. If King David referred to one, it's good reading material for me.
I hope you do your best to share these thoughts with people around you. Have you thought about starting your own Blog?
Many blessings 🙂
LikeLike
Thank you for the encouragement. I don’t have a clue as to where to even begin doing a Blog. Except that what I have now isn’t sufficient. All I have is my android phone, my fat old fingers are too big to use the keypad. Every letter I write is tapped with the head of my pen. And I would certainly need better spelling and grammar/sentence structure app.
Thanks again, God bless you, keep up the great work.
Paul
LikeLike
Sorry for late reply (Christmas …)
Agreed, a phone isn’t good enough for blogging, but a computer/tablet is and you don’t seem to have any kind of problems when it comes to writing or spelling! Most importantly, you Bible views are up to par with scriptures!
Happy New Year, Paul!
LikeLike
Thank you, looking into a tablet.
Hope you had a blessed and Merry Christmas. Happy new.
LikeLike
Just wanted to add that when I said I studied all day till the wee hours of the morning, that was for weeks.
LikeLike
Paul, reading your comment made me want to stand up and salute half way through!
So we’ll said. Wish I could reach you directly as we must be related, lol.
LikeLike
You can reach me at this email.
I see your point, was just pointing out that most of us were brainwashed and indoctrinated, not just by the liars of NASA and the people in the religion of scientism but the vast majority of the clergy have believed the lie.
I just don’t understand those that are shown the truth, they immediately oppose what God so plainly lays out in His word, without lifting a finger to do a little critical thinking. 2nd Timothy 2:15 When I was shown a different point of view. I thought it was a bit crazy at first but wanted to study and find out if I had indeed been believing satan’s counterfeit. A couple of years ago plus, I saw a guy named David Weiss on a Christian podcast talking about “flat Earth” the thing that caught my attention the most was that he said he was an atheist who set out to debunk flat earth. As a result, he now knows that he’s not living on a spinning ball, but more importantly, by discovering God’s geocentric cosmology to be true he now believes in a creator/designer. Praying that he will come to know Jesus as his Savior.
I studied all day till the wee hours of the morning for weeks on end. And once you see it you can’t unsee it. My eyes were opened to the utter the absurdity of the heliocentric model.
I have far fewer friends and family members in my life because I choose to believe the written word of God and not the rulers of this world. Romans 3:4
I have far more patience with the layperson, it takes perseverance to do the study in undoing a lifetime of indoctrination and brainwashing, but far less for the clergy, the guys that were supposed to stand on the word of God warning us of such a great deception.
I could go on and on, I’m very passionate about this subject. John 8:32 It matters on so many levels, but that’s another subject for another time.
Paul
LikeLike
What many (people) are missing about this verse Isaiah 40:22. Is that when the verse states that God sits above the circle of the earth. The word earth in The Bible is not speaking about sciences globe earth. Earth in The Bible simply means land, not land and water. It can also be seen that the earth (land) in Isaiah 40:22 is a one piece of circular mass of land. That is exactly the earth God created in Genesis 1 a single piece of circular flat land surrounded by the sea/ocean.
Earth in The Bible never means a water covered sphere with areas of land scattered around on it. It is always speaking about land.
LikeLike
Hey there
Yes the Hebrew word “eres” can apart from earth (with land masses, oceans and everything) also mean land, field, ground, etc. In many languages the very same word is used for the entire earth as well as for the ground that you plant seeds in.
LikeLike
Marc skriver: you had to say the bible is wrong in order for you to be right. That alone can tell you that your theory is incorrect.
LikeLike
The Bible has shown to be very reliable so it makes sense to assume it’s correct on all accounts.
LikeLike
You do know that if you travel south to any point on your circle you will end up in Antarctica and if you keep going in that straight line you will end up on the opposite side of your circle heading back toward the north pole?
LikeLike
Hello! Duane
Yes south would lead you to Antarctic (which is all around the circle on the flat earth model). The best way to disprove the flat earth model would therefore be to travel across the Antarctic and over to the other side. Interestingly, this has never happened.
LikeLike
He is right. If we head south we will reach antarctica and if we continue in the same direction we will end up on the opposite side of the circle of earth because the north is the ends of the earth and the south is the center.
Using a compass it always points to the north, the outer wall where all the vast & open icy land & seas are. A compass will always point to the outer wall. In the south, the needle goes berserk, why? Because the north is equally distant all-around.
There are several verses covfutming that the north is the ends of the earth. The north is stretched outward, etc.
the mainstream map provided is inverted to continue to mislead us from truth and still we must remember that the flat earth is the distraction. It’s all about the firmament and the waters above us. The only way to keep us enslaved is to make us believe we are already free. We are entrapped here on earth just as our hearts are enslaved to sin.
LikeLike
Hey David
One problem (apart from the Bible constantly talking about the stationary flat earth on four pillars) is that no one has been able to fly across Antarctica to the other side, even though this should be done on a daily basis on a globe earth. A compass can only work on a flat earth, and the same goes for a sextant and other equipment.
It saddens me when you claim our hearts are enslaved to sin. Paul says that if we are slaves to sin we are not free. Those who are not free are the ones not being saved.
Evolution and heliocentrism have successfully hidden our Creator away from many. If we instead trust the Bible (without distorting it) we will find the truth.
Here is a film about circumnaviation on a flat earth
LikeLike
“Proverbs. 8:27 “When He prepared the heavens, I was there, When He drew a circle on the face of the deep” (NKJV)”
Does also football teams play with a flat round ball?
Does also rugby teams play with an flat oval ball?
That has no sense. Ask anybody about the a football ball, and he will say that the ball is round.
Ask nybody about a rugby ball and, and he will say that the ball is oval.
No football players will say that his ball is a spheric ball, and no rugby player will say that his ball is a “prolate spheroid essentially elliptical in profile”! These exact scientific terms are true, now nobody will use them!
For the same reason in the Bible the world “circle” here just means sphere.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/4/4007941_ada343ac73_z.jpg?zz=1
LikeLike
Hej Marc!
<<Ask anybody about the a football ball, and he will say that the ball is round.
"Ball" in itself shows that the object is shaped as a ball. A ball is a sphere (and naturally also round). No argument there.
The Biblical word translated "circle" however, does not mean a ball/sphere/globe, and it is also not possible to "inscribe" a sphere into something (but it is possible to inscribe a circle).
God bless!
LikeLike
Then there is a definition or translation problem with some words in the Bible. There is enough evidences and photos that show that the earth is a sphere.
God bless!
LikeLike
“There is enough evidences and photos that show that the earth is a sphere.”
Paintings (60s and 70s) and CGI (80s and beyond). Nothing more.
LikeLiked by 1 person
There is a word for ball, described above, in Isaiah. If He wanted to say ball He could have & would have. Gods Word is the truth, the whole truth & nothing but the truth, meaning He would not say one thing if He meant another & would not say anything to the likeness “the earth is not ball/sphere”, if it truly were not a ball/sphere because, a ball/sphere earth would be a lie so instead He states truth only—circle/flat. Additionally, photographs do not qualify as evidence when following the scientific method. Observation is a requisite. We do not observe a sphere or any of the properties the globe lie has within nature.
LikeLike
Amen, David.
Yes, God is not the author of confusion and is able to communicate with us in a way that we understand. Today, and in the very beginning.
GBU!
LikeLike