King David lost his road to heaven due to sin (but he repented)
King David was a man of God’s own heart, but this is a general description of him, and doesn’t mean that he never did anything that was evil in God’s eyes. God is not a respecter of persons. He doesn’t have different rules for different people – not even if your name is King David. Will unrepentant murderers, adulterers, idolators and liars enter heaven? Clearly not, so this means that King David lost his salvation (or rather; he was spiritually lost and dead) during his year in sin. What King David did to Uriah (he MURDERED him) was EVIL.
2 Samuel 12:9 Why did you despise the word of the Lord by doing what is EVIL in his eyes? You struck down Uriah the Hittite with the sword and took his wife to be your own. You KILLED him with the sword of the Ammonites. 10 Now, therefore, the sword will never depart from your house, because you despised me and took the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your own.
1 Kings 15:5 Because David did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any thing that he commanded him all the days of his life, SAVE ONLY in the matter of Uriah the Hittite.
King David lived under the Old Testament, but murderers were considered evil also during this time. What did Ezekiel say about righteous people (much like David) who chose to sin? They would DIE for it (spiritually).
Eze:3311Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel? 12Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth. 13When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, HE SHALL DIE FOR IT. 14Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right; 15If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die. 16None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live. 17Yet the children of thy people say, The way of the Lord is not equal: but as for them, their way is not equal. 18When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby. 19But if the wicked turn from his wickedness, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall live thereby
Ezek 18:20The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.21But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.22All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?24But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. 25Yet ye say, The way of the LORD is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?26When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.27Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.28Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
Ezekiel 3: 20Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling-block before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 21Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.
Luckily King David REPENTED and restored his salvation thanks to this. But it took him about a year – the entire duration of Bathsheba’s pregnancy.
2 Sam. 12: 1And the LORD sent Nathan unto David. And he came unto him, and said unto him, There were two men in one city; the one rich, and the other poor.2The rich man had exceeding many flocks and herds: 3But the poor man had nothing, save one little ewe lamb, which he had bought and nourished up: and it grew up together with him, and with his children; it did eat of his own meat, and drank of his own cup, and lay in his bosom, and was unto him as a daughter. 4And there came a traveller unto the rich man, and he spared to take of his own flock and of his own herd, to dress for the wayfaring man that was come unto him; but took the poor man’s lamb, and dressed it for the man that was come to him. 5And David’s anger was greatly kindled against the man; and he said to Nathan, As the LORD liveth, the man that hath done this thing shall surely die: 6And he shall restore the lamb fourfold, because he did this thing, and because he had no pity. 7And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul; —9Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon. —12For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun. 13And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die. 14Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.
Can unrepentant murderers enter the Kingdom of God? Not a chance.
1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that NO MURDERER HATH ETERNAL LIFE ABIDING IN HIM
Also the prodigal son went from being alive, to being dead, to being alive again:
Luke 15:24 For this son of mine was dead and is alive AGAIN; he was lost and is found. So they began to celebrate.
But that you may not have a pretext for saying that Christ must have been crucified, and that those who transgressed must have been among your nation, and that the matter could not have been otherwise, I said briefly by anticipation, that God, wishing men and angels to follow His will, resolved to create them free to do righteousness; possessing reason, that they may know by whom they are created, and through whom they, not existing formerly, do now exist; and with a law that they should be judged by Him, if they do anything contrary to right reason: and of ourselves we, men and angels, shall be convicted of having acted sinfully, unless we repent beforehand. But if the word of God foretells that some angels and men shall be certainly punished, it did so because it foreknew that they would be unchangeably [wicked], but not because God had created them so. So that if they repent, all who wish for it can obtain mercy from God: and the Scripture foretells that they shall be blessed, saying, ‘Blessed is the man to whom the Lord imputeth not sin;’ that is, having repented of his sins, that he may receive remission of them from God; and not as you deceive yourselves, and some others who resemble you in this, who say, that even though they be sinners, but know God, the Lord will not impute sin to them. We have as proof of this the one fall of David, which happened through his boasting, which was forgiven then when he so mourned and wept, as it is written. But if even to such a man no remission was granted before repentance, and only when this great king, and anointed one, and prophet, mourned and conducted himself so, how can the impure and utterly abandoned, if they weep not, and mourn not, and repent not, entertain the hope that the Lord will not impute to them sin? And this one fall of David, in the matter of Uriah’s wife, proves, sirs,” I said, “that the patriarchs had many wives, not to commit fornication, but that a certain dispensation and all mysteries might be accomplished by them; since, if it were allowable to take any wife, or as many wives as one chooses, and how he chooses, which the men of your nation do over all the earth, wherever they sojourn, or wherever they have been sent, taking women under the name of marriage, much more would David have been permitted to do this.
Christ died for all my sins! And when I do sin I have an advocate, if I confess my sin He is just to forgive me from all unrighteousness.
If you say you don’t sin you a lier and the truth is not in you, and make Him out to be one. It’s the Gospel that saves. Paul said..
1corinth. 15:1-4 that Jesus died for our sins was buried and rose on the third day. This is the gospel of our salvation. As soon as one goes from unbelief to believe in the gospel that person is saved . And that person has repented.. because that person had changed his her mind from unbelief to believe. ( Greek Repent) and no one can snatch you out of the fathers hand or Jesus‘s hand. #2 we received the promise of the Holy Spirit , Ephesians 1:13-14. It’s always been believe trust in the the Lord Jesus and you will be saved… we are justified by putting our faith in Christ Jesus His finished work on that cross. Than as a child of God we work out our salvation in sanctification. Don’t confuse the two. Be careful of what the Bible says about the gospel. Paul explains in Philippines. Do NOT preach a different Gospel. We as children of God might have differences in some interpretations however we as the body of Christ must Have the right Gospel.
<< if I confess my sin He is just to forgive me from all unrighteousness.
So just confess, being forgiven, confess, being forgiven, etc? The requirement is repentance and that means to take up our cross and follow him. Jesus says:
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
<<If you say you don’t sin you a lier and the truth is not in you
Read also 1 John 1:9 (and 6). Or must we make sure to sin every minute and every day, or else we're making God out to be a liar?
<<1corinth. 15:1-4 that Jesus died for our sins was buried and rose on the third day.
Amen, Jesus died for all of our sins, but this doesn't mean our sins are automatically forgiven. Or else we would all be born once and for all forgiven no matter our conduct.
<<As soon as one goes from unbelief to believe in the gospel that person is saved .
No, because this would also make Satan saved, but James makes a point in Jam. 2 that faith without works is dead. He even says:
Ja. 2: 20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless]?
<<And that person has repented.. because that person had changed his her mind from unbelief to believe.
It's not certain that a person who believes in Jesus also takes up his cross and follows him. Adam and Eve naturally believed in their Creator and yet they sinned and were expelled from Eden.
<<( Greek Repent) and no one can snatch you out of the fathers hand or Jesus‘s hand.
Read the context and notice that it's about those who FOLLOW Jesus. They can never be snatched away by someone else but they can certainly leave on their own accord if they want.
<<#2 we received the promise of the Holy Spirit
Yes, IF we repent (leave the old man behind) as is the condition in Acts 2:38.
<< It’s always been believe trust in the the Lord Jesus and you will be saved…
It actually doesn't say "trust", but yes if you believe and repent, then you're saved and those who are finally saved are those who endure to the end.
<<we are justified by putting our faith in Christ Jesus His finished work on that cross.
Also demons believe this.
<< Than as a child of God we work out our salvation in sanctification.
It also says:
Phil 2:2 — :work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
<< Be careful of what the Bible says about the gospel.
Why is it that, if we are once saved always saved? Doesn't this mean we have a license to sin?
What about Judas? In the book of john6 , Jesus says he knows who wouldn’t believe, ie faith, trust, and who would betray Him. Judas certainly followed Jesus , but he never believed . Simple faith in the gospel, seals you unto the day of redemption. Ephesi1:13,14. Belief is for justification, sealed with the Spirit heaven bound. Example, thief on cross, no following Jesus, righteous Lot, Solomon and his 700 wives? Growing in grace , maturing in the Lord, producing fruit , works to profit the brethren, ie James chapter 2 is discipleship, sanctification, producing fruit , or abiding in the Lord. Ie loving Jesus , keeping his commandments , john 13, 1 john . If we chose to sin, the Lord chastens His children . If we think we can walk out of Gods hands , we are stronger than God who says no one can snatch you out if the Fathers hands , I will in know wise cast you out . It’s all Jesus my friend . Be set free , rest in His promises , and walk in Love , ie discipleship. Just a brother in the Lord .
Judas believed in Jesus and was a follower since Jesus wouldn’t accept anything less for his disciples.
The Bible doesn’t say in Eph. that we are sealed “unto” the day of redemption. If that would be the case, then also demons would have a chance since they too believe Jesus is Messiah, the son of God, etc. Seals can be broken, just like the “sealed” stone before the grave of Jesus.
The thief on the cross is often mentioned, and he of course had no chance to step down from the cross and died shortly after his confession, etc. Still, the same rule applied to him, about belief, confession and repentance. We don’t know if Solomon ended up being saved, but again, we all have the same opportunity to repent. God knows if we are truly repentant.
What does grace mean? The ability to avoid sin here and now (Titus 2:11-12). It’s not something that will always cover your sin.
Not everyone who is chastized will improve. Some might choose to not endure to the end.
Of course we can walk out of God’s hands since he doesn’t force anyone to come to him or remain with him. If someone ends up turning back to his sins, it’s not God’s fault but the person’s own fault. Again, those who cannot be snatched out of his hands are his sheep who are following him. Following is a requirement, and anyone can choose to unfollow. God will not cast out a true follower.
Sorry but when did Justin martyr become scripture? Do you also believe everything else he taught, he also spoke of worshiping angels. You do understand the early church “fathers” disagreed about many things. You often mixed old and New Testament scripture out of context to fit your views.
King David was under the old covenant, he would have to follow old covenant law to be saved. So to use him as an example is pointless unless you think the new and old covenant are nearly exactly the same.
My question to you is are you perfectly sinless in thought word and deed all the time? I don’t mean you making excuses for sins of ignorance or “mistakes” do you perfectly follow the speed limit? Are you always perfectly loving and kind to everyone including your enemies? Even under the Old Testament sins of ignorance had to be atoned for.
Justin Martyr is not Scripture. Did I claim something to the contrary?
The very first church fathers did not seem to disagree about certain things, such as original sin (being wrong), osas, Jesus is God, etc.
My point with King David was to show that even a person of God’s own heart can choose to sin and lose his salvation. Ezekiel applied to king David (both being in the OT) and in Ezekiel we can read about righteous people ending up dying when they started to sin.
I don’t drive so you can’t ask me about speed limits, but yes just like everyone else I’m able to love even my enemies and stay free of sins for months, years and for ever. If I would sin, it’s not because I had to and had no choice. It’s not a sin to not always be “kind” though. Jesus may not have been “kind” to all those pharisees he offended. The sins of ignorance in the OT were still highlighted and memorized, in order to be atoned for.