Calvinism is man-centered, and elect individuals have reasons to be proud

proudDue to my concern for christians trapped in Calvinism (and others who are at risk), I include the below text parts from Jesse Morell. I believe that the doctrines within Calvinism unfortunately and inevitably encourage christians to remain in their sins, but that doesn’t mean that I believe that all who call themselves calvinists must be major sinners. Still, the doctrines are dangerous (which all gnostic teachings are) and must be exposed in order to save souls. If we love each other, we would like to help each other on the right track. 

Calvinism is totally man centered. ”I am saved by nothing I do,” ”I cannot be lost by anything I do,” etc. It is all centered on man being saved no matter what. It gives religious sinners eternal security. It itches their ears. There is no choice of total repentance from all sin required, just believing. There is no necessity to labor and run and persevere unto the end. There is no threat of going to hell through sinning. It itches the ears of those who want this man-centered gospel. You don’t have to love God supremely. You don’t have to totally commit yourself to God. You can live in compromise and sin every day in word, thought, and deed, and still be saved. Calvinism doesn’t glorify God, it comforts religious sinners and in doing so it dishonors God. 

Which system really glorifies God? The one which says God is the ultimate cause of sin and that men do not need to stop all their sinning, or the one that says each individual is the cause of their own sin and we must all repent of our sins and live holy lives glorifiying to God? Which doctrine of grace really glorifies God? The one that says grace means being saved while we continue to sin, or grace is the means of being saved from our sin? One of these systems glorifies God while the other system greatly dishonors Him. What of the Westminster Catechism that says no man is able, either of his own power or by any grace received in this life, to perfectly keep the commandments, but does daily break them in word, thought, and deed…? Well, that covers all the bases. I mean, the devil couldn’t do any worse than that. That excuses all sin, of any kind. Calvinism certainly does make ”a broad stroke that intentionally misunderstands and maligns Christ.” How man-centered is this theology! Now, the power of man’s sin is even greater than the power of God’s grace! God’s grace cannot overcome man’s sin! Wow, talk about a man-centered sin-excusing theology.

Glorification is the perfection of the body. Sanctification is the perfection of the heart. We are not commanded to be glorified in this life. This is not an obligation. We are not sinful for failing to have glorified bodies. Even Jesus did not have a glorified body until after the resurrection. But we can sanctify ourselves to God. We can set ourselves apart from the service of sin to the service of God.

We are not born with a sinful nature

We are born into a sinful world, but sin itself is a choice of our own will. You are not born a homosexual, drunkard, etc. That is choice. Paul said sinners will be ”without excuse” on Judgment Day. They cannot say, like Lady GaGa, ”I was born this way.” God forms our nature in the womb and He does not form us as little sinners. We become sinners at the age of accountability, by our own free will. As the Bible says men are sinners ”from their youth” which means ”juvenile” not infant.

“I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.” Ps. 139:14. We are not guilty of the sin of Adam: “The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.” Eze. 18:20 We are commanded to sanctify ourselves: “Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the LORD your God.” Lev. 20:7. This verse is quoted in the New Testament as well. Jesus can forgive us and cleanse us, not from some sin, but from all sin: “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” I Jn. 1:9. Just read the rest of 1 John. He that sins is of the devil. Whosoever has been born of God does not commit sin. Etc. The Word says that the grace of God that brings salvation teaches us to live free from sin in this life. Our fallen bodies do not make us sin, so we don’t need a new body to be free from sin. Romans 6 says Jesus sets us free from sin in this life. Hebrews says Jesus was made in all things liken unto his brethren.

Jesus did not have a sinful nature, so neither did we. Jesus lived a holy and sinless life and Jesus said come and follow me and He is our example to follow. If we sin after our initial conversion, we must repent or perish as Jesus taught his disciples. We never have to sin, as God never allows us to be tempted above our ability (1 Cor. 10:13). To say that we can never life free from all sin in this life is to make the power of sin greater than the power of the cross and greater than the power of God’s grace. Certainly, we still have a free will after conversion so we are still capable of sinning. But with the help of God’s grace, we can choose to overcome and persevere. Men are sinners by choice, as the Bible says all we like sheep have gone astray and turned to our own way. And therefore, we can cease to be sinners by choice. Hence, God’s command for us to repent and His appeals of grace. We cannot have glorified bodies in this life, and so we have not attained physical perfection. That comes after our race is done. But we can have sanctified bodies in this life, as Paul said we can yield our members as instruments of righteousness, present our bodies a living sacrifice, that God can sanctify us wholly spirit soul and body, etc.

Certainly we are not forgiven before we repent, and if we sin God clearly sees it. But when we think upon what Jesus Christ has done to make forgiveness available for us and for everyone, we should love Him and turn from all our sins as a consequence. Once we do that, God forgives us through Christ. Calvary makes us willing to do what creation made us capable of doing. And what the law could not do, the gospel was able to accomplish. Legal motives of self-interest were insufficient to perfect the heart, but the motives presented to us in the gospel of Jesus Christ can cleanse us from all sin. Every day we make the choice to sin or not, and certainly our salvation depends upon our perseverance in holiness, but when we look upon the cross and see how much God has loved this world, we see how worthy He is of our worship and service and we love Him in return with our obedience.

Romans chapter seven

Rom. 7 gives us a description of what occurs when the mind of an unconverted sinner is convicted by the law. Using a literary technique, Paul uses the present tense to tell the narrative. As many stories begin with “once upon a time,” Paul said, “For I was alive without the law once, but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died” (Rom. 7:9). He then proceeded in his narrative to discuss what happens when an unconverted sinner encounters the law of God. Some suppose Romans chapter seven to be a description of the Christian life, as opposed to a description of an unconverted state. But we know Paul is not referring to his own converted state because he already said that Christians have been made “free from sin” (Rom. 6:18, 22). The man in Romans seven was not ”free from sin” and, therefore, he was not a Christian. Paul also said that, “There is now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit” (Rom. 8:1). Yet the man in Romans chapter seven was under condemnation and therefore needed to be saved by Jesus (Rom. 7:24-25).

And Paul said that, “to be carnally minded is death” (Rom. 8:6). But the man in Romans chapter seven said, “I am carnal, sold under sin” (Rom. 7:14). Therefore, the man in Romans chapter seven did not have eternal life. And finally, Paul said that as a converted man he lived with a good and pure conscience that was void of offense (Acts 23:1; Acts 24:16; 2 Tim. 1:3). The man described in Romans chapter seven is deeply disturbed by his conscience (Rom. 7:16). Therefore, the description given in Romans chapter seven was not of the converted life of the Apostle Paul. It is a narration describing what happens when an unconverted sinner’s mind encounters the law of God and is convicted by it.

So it is a sin to inherit a weakness to commit sin? How is that a sin? chosen

  • Jesus died for everyone, but only those who repent and believe are forgiven through it. So if a believer sins, they must repent and ask God for forgiveness.
  •  Forgiveness of future sins is nothing more than a license to sin. God only forgives us of our sins after we have repented of them. And since we are not yet guilty of future sins, we have nothing to be forgiven us. Not only would forgiveness of future sins be unwise, it is also impossible. Sins must be dealt with as they occur. Hence what we read in 1 John 1:8-9. If a believer sins, we must repent or perish.
1. How can David say he was wonderfully made and God’s works are marvelous if God formed him in the womb with a sinful nature?
2. How can it be said that Jesus was made ”in all things liken unto his brethren” if we are born with a sinful nature and he wasn’t?
3. How come our sanctification is spoken of in the same tense as our justification?
4. How can inheriting a weakeness to commit sin be a sin itself?
5. If we are forgiven of all future sins at conversion, have you ever asked God to forgive you since your conversion? If you were already forgiven, why do you insult his grace by asking for forgiveness?
6. What would a license to sin consist of, if not forgiveness of unrepented future sins? What is a license but permission to do an action without fear of legal prosecution?
7. If Romans 7 was Paul’s Christian life, how can he say that he lived with a conscience void of offense?

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We were not capable of sinning before the age of accountability, as Jesus said if you were blind you would have no sin. Infants are not under the wrath of God, as the wrath of God comes upon those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness. Those with knowledge are without excuse, but as infants have no moral knowledge, they are with excuse for their behavior. As they grow, they make free will choices. Hence we are told to teach them, disciple them, etc. If their nature caused their actions, teaching them would be useless and discipline would be cruelty and pointless. Only if their free will makes their choices can teaching and disciple change their behavior.

The perfection that God requires is a perfection that we are capable of. It is purity of motive – a perfection of heart. The Bible commands us to love God and love our neighbor. The Bible speaks of men who were ”perfect in heart” which shows it is possible for man in this life. The commandment is directly proportationate to our ability, as we are command to love God ”with all” thy ability and love your neighbor ”as yourself.” We are not commanded to love with more ability than we have, but with all the ability that we have. So it is not impossible. If it were impossible, God’s law would be unreasonable and unjust. Damnation would be infinite cruelty. But as God is just and as He does punish sinners, this shows that they were capable of avoiding their sin

Which is greater, the power of sin or the power of the cross and the grace of God?

If the power of the cross is greater than the power of sin, why can’t you stop sinning? Does not the cross make you love God? And if you love Him, you will obey Him. When you are tempted, just look at the cross. Put your faith in God and you will overcome sin.  As love is the fulfillment of the law – a complete satisfaction to our moral obligation. Love is perfection. God does not want us to have an imaginary holiness but an actual holiness. The Bible never says that Christ’s works of the law are imputed to us. That is not necessary as we are not justified by works of the law. The ”imputed righteousness of Christ” is a cliche and a myth. If you sin, God see’s it. Nothing is hide from His eyes the Bible says. He says, ”I know your works, be zealous therefore and repent.” Don’t dream that you are covered by the imputed righteousness of Christ while you continue to sin, thus making his work a license to sin. Rather, repent of your sins and then you will be pardoned by His grace and mercy.

Paul taught that we were not under the law, as in the Torah, but not that we were free from all moral obligation. As Paul said we are obligated to love God and love our neighbor. God is not an anarchist or an antinomian. He does not promote lawlessness. As Paul said, not without law to God but under the law of Christ.

God does not impute our trespasses to us when He forgives us and pardons us. This is conditional upon our repentance and faith. Holiness, in terms of the Christian, is an internal attitude of submission and obedience whereby we are set apart from sin and to the service of God. And Jesus not only saves our souls, He changes our lives. He is not only our justification, He is also our sanctification.  Justification by works of the law is impossible. Obedience cannot atone for past disobedience. Hence, we need gracious justification. God can declare us pardoned. He commands us to repent and believe and when we are converted He pardons all our past trespasses through the atonement of Christ.

”By nature children of wrath” in context is about how we previously lived a sinful lifestyle. The Greek word for nature in that passage can mean that which by long habit has become nature, according to Thayer which is one of the best Greek-English Lexicon available. The Bible also says that the Gentiles which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, which show the work of the law written on their hearts, their conscience bearing witness. Doesn’t sound like they were born totally depraved with a sinful nature. Conscience is part of our nature, and it tells us to obey God.

The Bible is clear that Jesus died for everyone but not everyone is saved because not everyone repents and believes. It is possible for those for whom Christ died to perish. As Paul said you can cause a brother to perish for whom Christ died. And you can deny the Lord who bought you and bring upon yourself swift destruction.

The atonement does not give us a license to sin or make salvation automatic for anyone. Pardon through the atonement is conditional. The Bible says repent, believe, and persevere unto the end. If we fail any of those points, we cannot expect God’s mercy but His wrath. Jesus said He that perseveres unto the end shall be saved. That speaks of salvation in the future tense. There are others passages that speak of it as past and present. I am saved. I am being saved. And I will be saved. The Bible says eternal life is to know God. And it says by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He that says I know Him and keeps not His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in Him. So those who are obedient to God have eternal life and those who are disobedient do not. As it is written, He is the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey Him.

He tasted death for EVERY man it says. He is the propitiation, not only for our sins, but for the sins of the WHOLE world. Just as the serpent was lifted up for WHOSOEVER to be saved through it, so God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that WHOSOEVER believeth in Him would be saved, etc. There is no limited atonement in the foreshadow sacrifices.

People attack biblical holiness and the born again experience as self-righteousness and confuse biblical repentance with justification by works of the law. If a person is living in sin, aka sinning every day in word, thought, and deed, than it should be obviously that they haven’t put their faith in Christ. If they had confidence in His character and trusted Him they would do whatever He asks. As Hebrews 11 says by faith Abraham obeyed. Abraham was justified by an obedient faith, or a faith that resulted in obedience. What sins do you have in your life that you cannot stop? What sins do you have in your life that Christ cannot set you free from? Or really, what sin do you have in your life that you are unwilling to repent of?

Obedience can never atone for disobedience

We could never make up for our sins by obedience and we could never earn or merit salvation. It must come by grace and mercy through Jesus Christ. But it is conditional. We must repent and believe to receive it. I say that we must repent and believe (obedience to the gospel) but that our obedience to the gospel does not merit or earn salvation. ”By faith Abraham…obeyed” Hebrews 11:8. Abraham was justified by an obedient faith. There is a difference between conditions and grounds. Our obedience to the gospel is not the grounds of our salvation. It does not merit or earn salvation. Peter said, ”repent of this thy wickedness that the thought of your heart might be forgiven thee” and ”save yourselves from this untoward generation. Was Peter teaching heresy by telling them to save themselves? Certainly not. Repentance is a condition of forgiveness. We can only save ourselves, through the atonement of Christ, by repenting and believing.

Justification by works of the law is regarding the Torah and merit. It is not about repenting of your sins to be pardoned by grace and mercy. We do not need to obey the law (Torah) to be saved. But we must obey the gospel, which demands that we repent of our sins and trust in Christ. If good works are the evidence of faith, then bad works are the evidence of unbelief. There is no condemnation for those who walk after the spirit and not after the flesh. If you are living in sin, aka walking after the flesh, there is condemnation.  By faith you can live a pure and holy life. By faith you can overcome all sin and be perfect in heart. The same faith that justifies also sanctifies. Under the New Covenant we are not under obligation to the Torah, but only to the moral law of God. The New Testament does not command us to be circumcised, but to love God and love our neighbor.

“But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?” Gal. 2:14

“To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.” 1 Cor. 9:21.

We are not under the law of Moses, but under the law of Christ.

“For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.” Heb. 7:12.

“For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things” Heb. 10:1.

The external and physical laws of the Old Covenant, like the clean and unclean food, circumcision, etc, were figurative of the internal and moral change that occurs under the New Covenant. Thus, the New Covenant fulfills the Old Covenant. These Old Covenant laws were figurative, but in the New Covenant that which is better has come. Hence,

“This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;” Heb. 10:16.

You can read more from Jesse Morell on his website.

”Any theology that gives man a legitimate excuse for sin and maligns God’s holy character CANNOT, by definition be ‘God centered'”  (Kerrigan Skelly)

12 thoughts on “Calvinism is man-centered, and elect individuals have reasons to be proud

  1. Dear Brothers

    Excelent way to fight againt this Heresy

    Al Calvinst are drinking directly form Babilon and Catholic Church

    The calvinist of this time depends of Spurgeon; Spurgeon depends of Calvin; Calvin depend of Augustin; Augustin depends of Mani; Mani depends of Babilon and Babilon depends of Satán

    Jehová Witness: Bible + Magazine Atalaya and Despertad (in spanish)
    Adventist: Bible + Helen White
    Catholic: Bible + Tradition
    Mormons: Bible + Book of Mormón

    CALVINIST= Bible + Calvin, Spurgeon, Augustine, Mani, Babilon, Satan, Hell

    Mani (Babilon) = Agustín = Calvin = Spurgeon = Calvinism

    Calvin= used more than 3700 explicit references to the early church fathers.

    Some 1.700 of them are references to Augustine

    http://books.google.co.ve/books?id=bih0PBiIQGMC&pg=PA292&dq=calvin+and+augustine+differences+predestination&hl=en&sa=X&ei=zr- page 291

    Check in internet S.J. Han AN INVESTIGATION INTO CALVIN’S USE OF AUGUSTINE

    Luis Mendoza
    soren@telcel,net.ve
    Saved by His Grace and Faith
    Baptist No-Calvinist
    Caracas, Venezuela

    Gilla

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  4. You start right and end wrong…

    Calvinism is heresy because it is ”Calvinism”. Christianity is the only word we should use to describe our faith… we are believers in Christ and follow Him as described in His Word. Where you go wrong in this article is condemning the theology of Calvinism where it walks in Truth with Scripture. Believers are chosen, we are the elect, we are saved by grace and grace alone, nothing we do can snatch us from God’s hands once we are saved. The error comes in the definition of ”saved”. Salvation is evident by our fruit. Once our hearts have been changed, the old self cast away and we become a new creation in Christ, the evidence will be there for all to see in our sanctification. We are justified and are now going through sanctification toward righteousness. If a person professes faith, it doesn’t mean he/she possesses faith. Faith is a gift from God so we cannot brag that we did anything via works. If a person professes faith, but he/she has no outward change resulting from an inward change, the question becomes, ”is this salvation”? Am I a Calvinist? Heck no. But do some of their doctrines speak Truth? Yes… once saved always saved, perseverance of the saints… we are totally depraved in our sin nature and cannot seek God unless he first compels us… Jesus died only for the elect… not the whole world… etc…

    Gilla

    • Hello Mark

      << Christianity is the only word we should use to describe our faith…

      If that is true, I could easily end up in a catholic church, because they too view themselves as christians. Christians do have different views about the Bible, so extra descriptions are sometimes helpful.

      << Believers are chosen, we are the elect,

      Yes, that would be calvinistic (and TULIP) and unbiblical. God doesn't force innocent people to be non-elect and send them to hell due to their crime of being non-elect.

      << we are saved by grace and grace alone,

      That is probably what most christians agree on regardless of denomination. We are saved by grace (God's kindness) because we certainly can't save ourselves. And we are not saved without certain conditions – like repentance, faith and doing good. Faith without works is dead.

      << nothing we do can snatch us from God’s hands once we are saved.

      Not what the Bible says. Do read the entire context about this phrase. This promise concerns those sheep who have chosen to FOLLOW Jesus, and if we are in Christ no one can snatch us out of his hands. We can of course leave ourselves if we want.

      << Salvation is evident by our fruit.

      Yes, it's a required piece of evidence. We can't be saved without it. If we lack fruit, it's our fault. Never God's fault. If calvinism is right, the "non-elect" lack fruit and that would be God's fault since he has chosen them to be non-elect.

      << Once our hearts have been changed, the old self cast away and we become a new creation in Christ,

      Amen. Cleansed from our sins. Born again. Child of God. We reman as such as long as we are in Christ, but he warns us that a branch can be cut off he vine (John 15) due to lack of fruit.

      << We are justified and are now going through sanctification toward righteousness.

      We are righteous even now if we do righteousness. (Little children, let no man deceive you…he who does righteousness is righteous…)

      << Faith is a gift from God so we cannot brag that we did anything via works.

      You changed Eph. 2:8-9 into something it doesn't say. It's not "faith" which is the gift here but salvation. We are not able to save ourselves, but thanks to God's love for us he offers salvation to us by grace through FAITH. So faith is required from us. If we lack faith, it's our fault. Never God's fault. We have no excuse (Rom. 1).

      << Am I a Calvinist? Heck no.

      Many share your exact views and call themselves calvinists, but I respect your choice.

      << Yes… once saved always saved, perseverance of the saints…

      The Bible teaches no such things. Quite evidently, or else you could absolutely afford to sin, such as denying Jesus, refusing to forgive a brother, taking the mark of the beast, etc. Just as long as you don't sin too much because that would be evidence of that you were not "saved to begin with" according to calvinists. This means that calvinists really have no idea if they are saved or not. The Bible provides many warnings to christians that they can fall away.

      << we are totally depraved in our sin nature

      Not what the Bible says. If that would be true, then our shortcomings must be blamed on God alone.

      <<and cannot seek God unless he first compels us…

      According to Acts 17 God created us to seek him and find him. So we are all created to be able to do just that.

      <<Jesus died only for the elect… not the whole world… etc…

      So far you have copied the entire TULIP, and people usually call themselves calvinists and/or reformed if they believe TULIP.

      If you get a chance, do read some of my other blog articles to read the common misunderstandings by calvinists.

      God bless!

      Gilla

  5. I think many misunderstand God and the bible. We are speaking about spiritual things, they are not understood the same way we understand chemistry, or algebra. Spiritual things are understood by revelation.

    For example Hebrews 4:12 is one of my favorite verses from the bible, and to understand it thru the mind, you would think that the verse is describing the bible (the scriptures), but it is not. The bible of itself (or by itself) does not have that power, but ”The Word” does have that kind of power.

    Philip and Paul both experienced the word in their lives as did the Old Testament Prophets. To Phillip the word came to him and said join yourself to the chariot. To Paul the word said ”Why are you persecuting me”, and to Jeremiah the OT say ”The word of the Lord came unto Jeremiah” on several occasions.

    The bible is clear, we cannot seek God, nor can we come to Jesus unless God draws us. God initiates, he is not waiting to see what you would do, nor does he look down the corridor of time, to see if you would choose Him, and THEN draw you.

    These are manmade doctrines, manmade doctrines corrupt the ecklesia, and they travel from the mind of one man into the mind of another man, totally apart from the Spirit of God. The tree of knowledge in full display.

    God controls everything, even evil. No matter how uncomfortable that makes us it is true. Let me give you an example.

    One day David says to God. ”I want to build you a house.” God says ”No!” ”But you will have a son in the future who will build me my house”.

    Is this true?

    Yes it is, and who was this promised son, this son of prophecy, this future son, this spoken word son, this god prophesied son.

    This son, was Solomon… Now watch God fulfill his own word of promise, His own prophetic word to David.

    One day David was overlooking his kingdom, and while on his rooftop, he sees a beautiful woman, bathing herself. David says ”who is that woman” his servant says that is Bathsheba, the wife of your servant Uriah. David says ”get her for me”.

    Then they have relations, (fornicate and commit adultery)…And from this union surrounded by sin and deceit, comes the God promised, prophesied, spoken word, son, named Solomon.

    So do we have a problem with God using sin to complete His words? Do we have a problem with God creating evil for His purposes?

    How about Moses, Moses kills a man, so he can meet God at the burning bush. Consider this man that Moses killed, this man was at the right place at the right time. What if this man had chosen to take a different path to work, or had an extra cup of tea, or went to visit the pharaoh that day. No that man had to be just at the right place at the right time to fulfill God’s plan and promises.
    Consider Romans CH 9:

    Paul sets about with a wonderful description of God’s plan and sovereignty. The Jews understand Paul so well they scream ”Who then can resist His will, and why does God then blame us”.

    And what does Paul say to them as a reply. Does Paul say ”My brothers I am so sorry, you have misunderstood my point about God’s sovereignty”.

    NO! Paul retorts, ”Who are you to answer back to God”.

    Gilla

    • Hi Rod

      Thank you for writing.

      <<The bible is clear, we cannot seek God-

      We are created TO seek God:

      Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
      27 THAT THEY SHOULJD SEEK THE LORD, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, THOUGH HE BE NOT FAR FROM EVERY ONE OF US:— 30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth ALL MEN EVERY WHERE TO REPENT:

      <<<, nor can we come to Jesus unless God draws us. God initiates, he is not waiting to see what you would do, nor does he look down the corridor of time, to see if you would choose Him, and THEN draw you.

      God draws us and we must respond by accepting or rejecting (do see my article about John 6 and the numerous conditions involved). If we choose not to come, we will be judged because we have no excuse for not coming. Hell will not be filled with people who are not drawn and who have had no chance to seek God or come to him, but hell will be filled with people who have rejected God. They will be in hell due to their sin, and sin is always against the will of God. There will be no excuses on judgment day, and "I was not drawn and could not come" would be a great excuse not offered to us.

      <<These are manmade doctrines, manmade doctrines corrupt the ecklesia, and they travel from the mind of one man into the mind of another man, totally apart from the Spirit of God.

      Amen, all things don't turn out the way God wants, so this happens totally apart from the spirit of God.

      <<God controls everything, even evil.

      God is IN control, and he can also cause calamity and physical hardship on people if he wants, like he did when it comes to Israel due to their rebellion against him. On some occasions he just had to remove his protective hand over them and allow their enemy to win gain victory. God seldom "prevents" people from sinning, but he did put an end to loads of sin when he caused a global flood to erupt on earth.

      << by sin and deceit, comes the God promised, prophesied, spoken word, son, named Solomon.

      Yes, but naturally God does not need a certain woman or a certain sin to accomplish this person. Sin is always 100% against God's will and there is no exception.

      <<So do we have a problem with God using sin to complete His words? Do we have a problem with God creating evil for His purposes?

      YES! Fortunately the God of the Bible is always against all sin and would never cause anyone to sin. He does not even tempt people, much less cause them to sin.

      <<How about Moses, Moses kills a man, so he can meet God at the burning bush.

      Same thing here. You assume a certain action is required when a certain outcome would be able to be accomplished in other ways. Sometimes a person might choose to sin, and through his repentance and prayers God can still help out and fix a situation.

      << No that man had to be just at the right place at the right time to fulfill God's plan and promises.

      That is not true. It's true that God has sometimes eliminated wicked people's lives (like the cananites) through the hands of others, and it's true that there was an accepted era of capital punishment during a certain time in history, but murdering apart from God's laws and instructions is always a sin. No exception.

      <<Consider Romans CH 9:

      I've written a few articles about the calvinists' favorite Rom. 9:)

      << Paul retorts, "Who are you to answer back to God".

      Has it ever happened in history that people have answered back to God? Did the pharisees do it for example? We would have to say YES to that question. The Bible is replete with examples of people who have not only spoken back to God but rebelled against him. Rebelling is naturally against the will of God. So Paul tells us what we SHOULD not do, and not what we CANNOT do.

      /Annika

      Gilla

  6. Hello!
    I was deceived by the ”god” of Calvinism for over 35 years, having been brought up from a little boy to believe that our ”church” had it right. That Calvinism is the gospel.

    However, a few years ago, after having reached the end of my trust in man, seeing that every so-called church was at odds with even each other, I began to seek the Lord and earnestly FEAR FOR MY LIFE. I had realized the deception that had been coming from the institutions of men for almost 2 millennia, and that there are presently only a few men courageous enough to speak the WHOLE TRUTH. That is to say, that man’s birth into this world is for the sole purpose of being born again OR choosing his own way through the life he has been gifted with by the Lord to squander it in anyway he so CHOOSES. In other words, the life anyone leads for the god of his belly (his own fleshly desires), to acquire things, amass power, control everything and everyone he can to his own advantage, and to never be satisfied because he must ALWAYS seek to protect his fortune and power from others….That is the only ”life” he will ever have. Once it’s over, he’s done! Now he must suffer the consequences of his unbelief (disobedience) toward the Lord. Hell, and then ultimately the lake of fire…Forever and Ever (Age to age without end)
    On the other end we have a man who begins to question everything he has ever been taught by other men regarding the Lord. This man begins to SEEK Him with ALL of his heart. Because of this, the Lord embraces this repented prodigal, and begins to restore his life. This man now understands humility, and therefore the beginnings of wisdom. He realizes that he is a worthless servant who can never add anything to his Lord, and no amount of sin could ever take anything from his Lord. He realizes that OBEDIENCE is the only way to receive from Him. Everything about the attributes of the Lord the man begins to see in everything that the Lord has made. He understands what the Lord says about himself. Not what some other flesh-man has told him, no. He now knows what Jesus meant when he told Nicodemus that unless a man is born-again he cannot see the kingdom of God. Ahh, now his eyes are open, and his ears unstopped. NOW he knows that his desire is for the spiritual and not for the things of the flesh. To serve God in spirit and in truth, with the faith of Abraham, not the law of Moses. He knows what the allegory regarding the two sons of Father Abraham. One gendered to bondage, the other free from his birth.

    I encourage all who may read this to realize that NO ONE who believes in Calvin’s ”god” is a Christian. You cannot be considered a Christian when you believe in a tyrant god who creates people just to destroy them for his ”good pleasure”. That god is wicked, and as such cannot exist but in the mind of a madman.

    PLEASE do NOT call a Calvinist a ‘Christian’. They do not believe in the God of Abraham, and of Issac, and of Jacob. They believe in an elitist tyrant who is more wicked than we all. John Calvin was a murderer and heretic who succumbed to the first death at the young age of only 54. He did NOT repent of his evil ways, even going to his grave PROUD of what he did to Michael Servetus. He was a 25 year old novice at ANYTHING when he wrote ‘Institutes’, and as such proved he understood nothing of the Lord and even nothing of the nature of man as a creation of a Father of Love. I completely, and with all my heart denounce that evil doctrine of John Calvin that I had so long held to.

    It’s ironic that the world hates Christians, and that the reason they do is mostly the way that arrogant reformed theologians present their so-called ”gospel”. They preach AT the atheist that they are going to hell if they continue sinning, yet by their own deranged definition of grace, they get to sin it up for free, with No penalty…except of course a few lost rewards. Oh yes, I know all the answers well. I HATE that, and all of the doctrines of men. The religion of men will destroy them. They condemn themselves in it. The atheist is in a better position to come to the knowledge of the Truth than they are.

    The best teachers are the servants of all. Thank God for the witness of the apostles and disciples who walked with, ate with, and received the Words of Eternal Life from the Lord Jesus Christ. It is their witness, not ours today, that is the the reason for our belief in Christ. No one in this day is a witness. We all have a testimony of what the Power of God has done in our lives if indeed we are truly converted to a life of dying to the flesh daily and obedience, but the WITNESSES are the ones who were WITH Jesus, and saw everything he did, even His resurrected body. Again, it is because of their witness that we believe.

    I’ll leave you with this absolute: A Calvinist is Calvinist, and a Christian is a Christian. The two are never one and the same.

    With much love to all,
    David

    Gilla

    • Hello David

      Thanks for writing. It’s good to hear that you have turned your back on Calvinism, which malign the character of God. I hope you saved your text so that you can send it to more forums and enlighten readers. You can certainly be a great light for people where you live since you have been trapped in Calvinism and managed to get out. Not many calvinists will (as you also state), and it amazes me how so many calvinists totally lack interest to get the help needed to get out of a set of doctrines that hopelessly contradict each other and the Bible plus describe God as a horrible tyrant who forces people to sin. The Biblical free-will option doesn’t cause any contradictions, but most calvinists don’t want to hear it but rather prefer to read from preachers who assure them that free-will is not an ”option”. It’s like they don’t WANT to solve their puzzle.

      If you haven’t read the free book on http://www.xcalvinist.com (you might need to scroll down on that page) then please do!

      Many blessings to you!

      Gilla

      • May The Lord Bless you as well!

        Thank you for the link, I will take a look at the book.
        It is amazing how simple the message of salvation really is, and also amazing how man pollutes it with his own ”understanding”. It really is so simple that a child can understand it. One either obeys, or dies. I understand what it means that one who has been forgiven much will love the one who forgives more than one who has been forgiven little.
        Paul, in 1 Corinthians 13, reveals the attributes of Love. At the end of his dissertation he talks about how where there are tongues and prophecies, they will cease, and as for knowledge, it will pass away. He goes on to compare his childish ways to his ways as a man. He ends up tying this all together with the fact that we see , hear, and understand like children now as regards the ways of the Lord. We are NOT adults to God. We are children, and our understanding about the things of God, even with all the tongues, prophecies, and knowledge is childish compared to what will be revealed to those who come to Jesus as little children. We will never be adults to God in this world. We can only ever be His Children. I think so many people just skip right over this very important understanding that will put a high-minded ”Christian” in his place.
        Children believe everything their father says, and know that they are loved by a Father who’s attributes are the very ones Paul lists. I see so many ministers speaking down to people, presenting themselves with the attitude that they have something special to add to the gospel, or that they must be seen as different than others. Arrogance is prevalent in false ministers, and unfortunately even within preachers of holiness and right living. That is something that grieves me. Have you noticed this as well?

        Gilla

      • Hi David

        <<It is amazing how simple the message of salvation really is, and also amazing how man pollutes it with his own ”understanding”. It really is so simple that a child can understand it. One either obeys, or dies.

        Well stated. It's really simple, and any other way would make God guilty of man's sin.

        Yes, arrogance can of course be present also within christian leadership in a church. I haven't come across it that much but anyone can go wrong.

        We can only continue to pray and spread the Biblical truth 🙂

        /Annika

        Gilla

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